stevefloyd
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It was great for me to see 
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skybluepm2
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Are we going to bring up this twerp every single game he either keeps a clean sheet or drops a clanger? Was exposed for the chance in the 85th minute, decent save but poor finish from their striker. Aside from that, nothing to do.
Bobby Gould had a different take on his second half performance....
clint van damme
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yep, sign of a good keeper. Kept his concentration well.
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skybluegod
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And joe Murphy again was a quality keeper at league one level, and a decent championship keeper although not the best.
Otis
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Yeah, sure he has contributed. Not knocking him, but we now have a much stronger back four, so what's to say RCC wouldn't get those same stats.
We are reducing teams to hardly a shot on goal in some games, so less emphasis on the keeper. He's been steady lately and fair play to him. Long may it continue. At the end of the day we all want whichever keeper is in goal to play well.
skybluedan
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What he said ^^^
higgs
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Even top 3 or 4 in the world great shot stopper
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Joe Murphy was so overrated in my opinion. He also affected players confidence with constantly having a go at them. Left here, not played. Enough said.
higgs
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Liquid Gold
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The best compliment I can give him is that I don't feel sick when I see his name in the team anymore. Not saying I'm sold yet but he's improving.
skybluegod
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Disagree, never the best at catching crosses, but he was a brilliant brilliant shot stopper and decent at everything else.
Also if a grown man can’t take being shouted at when he makes a mistake he needs to grow up. And let she honest if you had andy Webster and Jordan Clarke as your Cb’s you’d probably have a go at them as well.
And MR has said that a lot of his players are like that on the training ground right now.
An inexperienced player, or one low on confidence needs building up, not some idiot having a go at them every 2 minutes.
skybluegod
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Why were they low on confidence? The two years Murphy played in league one with is it wasn’t like we were fighting relegation, both seasons the only reason we didn’t challenge was because of the point deductions, the squads were decent enough. And who was inexperienced out of the two of them? Webster a Scottish international and Clarke who’s was 22(?) and had played over 100 games for us...
And if they can’t handle an idiot having a go at them every 2 minutes: 1) they shouldn’t have kept making shocking errors every 2 mins 2) they shouldn’t be playing football because football fans shout at players every 2 minutes as well.
Somebody knows when they have made a mistake. The worst thing you can do is start having a go. They need encouragement. Anyone saying if a grown man can't take a bollocking is what is wrong with football.
skybluegod
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Is it the worst thing? I think a lot of successful managers have highlighted how players not letting teammates slack off is one of the biggest reasons for success. They aren’t kids, it’s having the right approach between an arm around the shoulder and having a go.
I didn’t say it was right, but I’m saying if a footballer can’t take it then they are in the wrong trade, because it is and always will be part of the game.
Robins has given an interview saying how feisty training is and how players are at each other’s throats when they aren’t putting in the effort, which he thinks is a good thing?
I don’t know any profession, where if someone makes a mistake they aren’t given a bollocking for it.
If you lost your company a load of money or a customer, because of your mistake time and time again. would you expect to be constantly be told ‘oh it’s okay, better luck next time’. If it was your first or even second mistake maybe but if it kept happening what do you expect?
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Adge
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Agree with that, it wouldn't be an "arm around the shoulder" either, more like a boot up the arse and out of the door!
I agree with this. Murphy, for me seemed to go straight for the bollocking and it didn't work. Maybe this was to compensate for his shortcomings. Football is different to other industries and sometimes, the arm around the shoulder is best.
skybluegod
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Well it all depends, there are different styles of leaders, Murphy was always very supportive of players after games, and was a really top bloke out of football, from what i understood, he had a go when they made mistakes on the pitch, but was also very supportive of players, and Burge in particular.
As i said an arm around the shoulder is okay up to a point, where someone needs to learn that making a mistake in a professional team isn't good enough, and I'm glad Murphy made that clear.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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I said in the match thread last night, it was a dreadful mistake but it was his first of the season. Obrien made more mistakes in 3 games than Burge has in 10
The abuse burge gets & got last night is disgusting, and I was his biggest critic ( no abuse ) in recent years, but this season he has proved himself to be a decent league 2 keeper.
He makes once mistake last night and the vitirol is out again... but was it his really his fumble that cost us the game ( partly true I accept )... or was it max's two missed headers which could have won us the game... or jodies constant running into brick walls ... or kelly's back passes all the time... or nuzon's shots at goal which nearly went over the roof of the stadium, that lost us the game as much as burge letting one in
Strikers are paid to score goals , they make a mess of their job & its all all part of the game, or they even get praised for "having a go" , a goalie makes one error and large parts of the stadium ( who I guess really know nothing about football ) are on his back for the whole game ( if not multiple games ) and the loss is all down to him. Probably the most highly pressurised position on the pitch
making a scapegoat out of an easy target & the last line of defence, when every player on that pitch is paid to do a job and simply didn't do it & most made many more mistakes than burge last night. All of those are equally responsible , if not more responsible, for costing us games in recent weeks & last night
He makes once mistake last night and the vitirol is out again... but was it his really his fumble that cost us the game ( partly true I accept )... or was it max's two missed headers which could have won us the game... or jodies constant running into brick walls ... or kelly's back passes all the time... or nuzon's shots at goal which nearly went over the roof of the stadium, that lost us the game as much as burge letting one in
Strikers are paid to score goals , they make a mess of their job & its all all part of the game, or they even get praised for "having a go" , a goalie makes one error and large parts of the stadium ( who I guess really know nothing about football ) are on his back for the whole game ( if not multiple games ) and the loss is all down to him. Probably the most highly pressurised position on the pitch
making a scapegoat out of an easy target & the last line of defence, when every player on that pitch is paid to do a job and simply didn't do it & most made many more mistakes than burge last night. All of those are equally responsible , if not more responsible, for costing us games in recent weeks & last night
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stupot07
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I expected you will writing a similar post in thr Biamou thread.
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Haven’t read it yet... but takes more than one player to lose a game, the whole forward line were not good , and midfield weren’t great either