Sick Boy
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Legally it can be reversed of course. If there is an obvious lack of support for it across public, I expect all of those lovers or democracy on here will be in full support of democracy being observed.
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (36 Viewers)
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Legally it can be reversed of course. If there is an obvious lack of support for it across public, I expect all of those lovers or democracy on here will be in full support of democracy being observed.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Ha ha ha ha!!!!
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
You regularly scoff and sneer at the working classes, so your response is to be expected.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
It is - we don't live in zimbawabwe where the wrong result comes in and you are forced terrified to go back in until you get the "right" answer
Actually why say Zimbawbwe - let's just look at EU countries whose free will was punched out of them from the grotesque EU machine until they "got it right"
Thank God we are made of sterner stuff.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Confusing me with Dianne Abbott again?
If you are referring to the CDU, it wasn’t a yes no vote. At the end of the day Merkel will probably be Kanzlerin as Head of a coalition with over 50% of the votes. What’s your point?
Astute
Well-Known Member
This is more than Tories v Labour. For once we are all on the same side. We need the best person for the job. End of.
Pathetic point scoring from all sides doesn't help.
We are leaving the EU. To me it should be the best from all parties. Most of them are worthless in this position.
Astute
Well-Known Member
You know what my point is.
33% of the vote is good enough for you if it is what you want. 52% of the vote isn't good enough for you if it isn't what you want.
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
Massive problem and that's the truth to this sham so far. It was confirmed last night that TM doesn't believe in brexit, now that's all well and good but when she is leader of brexit negotiations and Pm of this country going through the biggest historical change for decades then it's absolutely shocking.
She wants to give the EU as much as possible and suck up beyond reasonable acceptance. I said this on June 24th last year we need a brexit PM and someone who genuinely believes brexit is the right decision. Right now we have a manager who at the start of the season thinks we will be relegated. It doesn't work. May as well have Mart in charge of brexit.
May will be gone by Christmas. I have little doubt now.
Well it starts off with the small things. I and many others have to have 2 passports to ensure our rights. My kid won’t be coming on an exchange visit to Coventry. The English course in the schools may use Ireland and the USA as the main themes instead of life in the UK.. Not exactly suffering, but the beginning of a cultural split.
The coalition will have more than 52%, but as it is Merkel you only count her party votes. BTW the pro EU parties got nearly 90%, but you talk about a 12,5% sceptical, but not totally 100% anti EU and mainly a protest vote as if were a huge victory. Grendel thinks that over 2 million people have become Nazis overnight. Amazing how one ignores real democracy.
Astute
Well-Known Member
So you have lived in Germany for many years yet look for a chance of a cultural split here?
Yes a coalition. 5 parties to make a majority. Because the 2nd biggest won't join Merkel again and the next one is fascist/racist. Yet you moan like fuck about a 52% majority vote in a country you don't want to live in.
How many EU countries are ruled by a grotesque right wing dictator? Oh yes, I forgot Hungary.
Until now Britain was looked upon in a favourable light. Even exchange trips to Coventry were looked upon as positive. Now Britain is no longer an EU partner ( from 2019 ) and it will looked at differently. Or do you expect us to increase cultural activities and friendship contacts because of Brexit?
Yes a coalition. Germany has been ruled by coalitions for years. It is the normal situation. The Jamaica coalition will be a novum though and having an opposition party in the Bundestag with known racists, nazis in it, is unusual even for people in my age group. But, over 2 million of their voters were protesting the 2015 handling of the refugee crisis. If that becomes less of an issue because the major parties introduce some form of repatriation of people who are not classed as genuine asylum seekers, then they will fade away again. The right wing hard core is and was around 5% - without the protest votes.
Well that is a good idea for once ;-). I reckon I could get some movement from the EU on things like unskilled immigration, abuse of benefits and better control of EU spending - simply because there are other groups that want these things ( e.g. FDP and CSU in Germany ). I would offer to throw Brexit in the bin once and for all with an immediate stop to all negotiations pending progress on my points. Then I would go to the political parties of various countries, who after the cock up on Brexit, may now be willing to support the UK on order to stop Brexit.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
No I'm referring to Brussells
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Don't Germans ever visit Switzerland as they are not in the eu? Wow.
No Germans then on boat trips around Norway? That's good I might book one then.
Do they get subsidies for school trips to Switzerland or Norway from the EU? I was talking about school trips. My daughter is off to Spain and is happy as larry.
Name the right wing dictator and explain his powers.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Brussels is a federal organisation. That's why socialists such as Corbyn, Benn etc have always despised it. It's by definition a centralist right wing organisation
It has decision making powers which the electorates in individual countries have no influence on whatsoever. junker is a prime example. A revolting little man whose not been approved of by a single uk resident and he makes laws which influence the uk
That makes him undemocratic and is the reason I want out.
SIR ERNIE
Well-Known Member
...who are even more divided and vague than the Conservatives.
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
Seems to me you want the country to be bankrupted because that is what will happen if the neo-Maxist Labour party gets in.
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
If May stays and this continues labour will win the next GE.
Astute
Well-Known Member
I never thought about that.
We should stay in the EU because some German schools get subsidies for some school trips.
So there is one place savings can be made.
Astute
Well-Known Member
I can name an EU dictator who is full of his self importance.
There are lots of places where savings can be made. The negotiations for the next EU budget begin in 2018. There will have to be considerable savings. Good, the EU will become more efficient. One thing they shouldn’t skimp on is bringing Europe together starting with the youth. I‘m a member of a pro British lobby group and we have committed to pushing Deutsch Britisch Friendship despite Brexit.
Hmmm..... let me guess.....
Astute
Well-Known Member
Can't see it myself. Most people are not thick. They can see what the EU are up to.
Not even sure about the younger voters. Labour bought their votes. But after the election they could see that what they were promised wouldn't have happened.
I can see May serving her purpose and then going. If Corbyn is still in charge of Labour the Tories will get back in. He has no charisma. He looks like the dirty old man who stares at the young ladies. Labour has much better than him. Find another Bliar and we have a chance. Another Brown and you can forget it.
Astute
Well-Known Member
The EU doesn't care about the youth. Their policies has killed youth employment in many countries. That is why they have to leave their families and move to another country. The Euro is killing economies of many countries just to benefit Germany. But Juncker still pushes the Euro onto new joiners knowing what it will do to them. Because once their economy goes tits up they are reliant on the EU.
Astute
Well-Known Member
There you go
It is so obvious. You don't have to use his name and everyone knows who you mean.
He was democratically elected by an electoral college and cannot pass laws. How do you get that all federal organisations have to be centralist and right wing? The point of a federation is that individual states have some powers for local matters and the central government controls the state. Germany is a federal state which happens to have a centre right administration, but it doesn’t have to be always centre right and is not always centre right. The USA, also a federal state, is governed by a right wing clown at the moment, but Obama was more centre right ( which why the right wing describes him as a Marxist ).
The representatives of the UK electorates were of one of the 2 countries that voted against Juncker. 26 countries voted for Juncker. It’s democracy... get over it.
Juncker is a civil servant, and like British civil servants is not voted on by the public.
Basically you made your decision based on untruths. Nothing new there.
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
but you were happy with the uncosted multi billion pound give away in the Tory manifesto?
Of course the EU cares about youth. You cannot blame everything on the EU. That is lazy. Many EU countries always had employment problems, especially in the country regions. Others are still emerging from years of communism. How the hell can they compete with the West. They have made great strides, but it will take years to reduce youth unemployment, in the meantime they have the freedom to try there luck anywhere in Europe. I wish them the best and the EU should keep trying to bring people together and encourage people to speak other European languages to help finding jobs when they leave school or university.
The Euro has forced economic stability on countries that were in a constant mess. Yes, they are in a different sort of mess now, but that is because geographical and economic factors that were there before the Euro. There is little inflation and the risk and cost of fluctuating exchange rates has been removed. We all got hit in 2008. Ask the British government what happened to the money tree and they will talk about the need for austerity. No different in the Eurozone.
The Euro is still here. Let’s see how it develops. It is ludicrous to suggest that one man is pulling all the strings in a cunning plan to make countries bankrupt. This is Daily Mail and Express rolled into one.
There you go
It is so obvious. You don't have to use his name and everyone knows who you mean.
No. You know who I mean because he is your favourite pantomime villain. Mine is Farage.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Most Countries take lots of money out of the EU. Germany does very well out of the EU. What chance did we ever have of getting what was best for us?
We had a democratic vote on staying in or leaving the EU. It didn't go the way the Germans or the EU wanted. So you can't get over it. Yet you say we should when it costs us many billions a year and our say is as much as countries the size of one of our cities or those who take billions out that don't want change.
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
No chance she'll be PM by then, but I think she will be there till approx Summer 2019 (after 2 year article 50 period), then there will be a Tory leadership challenge.