Astute
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We all know that you think he is totally innocent. Even innocent of the tax dodge between Luxembourg and the companies that pay minimum tax to them instead of where they make their money.
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (38 Viewers)
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Sick Boy
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The Irish government has always been massively opposed to Brexit and the damage it'll cause. You are unable to accept responsibility and expect others to bend over an fix the situation without compromising.
I'm sure the Irish government love the idea of cheap hormone injected beef and other inferior goods crossing the border without checks.
Sick Boy
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I've already said that it should be looked in to.
Astute
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The greatest threat to the EU lies in Italy, a country on the edge
Back in January, Italy’s deputy foreign minister Mario Giro warned that the UK was entering into an economic ‘cold war’ with the European Union. More recently, Italy’s deputy finance minister Enrico Morando played down fears that Brexit would have disastrous consequences. The problem is, Brexit and any stumble in the UK’s economic fortunes will put pressure on the Italian economy.
When the UK leaves the EU, Italy faces the prospect not just of increased contributions to the EU budget, but potential barriers to the UK market, upon which it is reliant for exports. Already the UK is experiencing sluggish wage growth and increased costs of living. Along with the weakness of the pound, Brexit-shaped pressures will impact upon Italian businesses.
If anything, Italy’s precarious position provides good reasons to hope that the EU will push for a sensible Brexit deal that preserves the frictionless trading between the UK and countries like Italy. Brexit may not be the EU’s greatest problem, but indirectly Britain’s desire to leave the EU puts pressure on the real problem facing the European project.
Astute
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So why keep trying to say nothing is his fault?
Why don't you comment on my post explaining that you didn't get controlled because you were already in the Schengen area?
You duck anything and everything to deflect....... as for contempt, I said I would like to see the GFA continued, you ducked that as well. Why?
Sick Boy
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skybluetony176
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Everyone was in my opinion. As things like the Irish border have proven that to be true. What border are we having with Ireland? Are we joining EFTA to achieve it? Are we joining the EEA to achieve it? Are we doing neither and having a hard border with passport and customs checks? People can claim that they knew what they voted for as if it’s some exclusive club but do you think that they could all agree 100% unaminously on a solution for the Irish border? Grendull seems to favour EFTA membership which with bilateral agreements like Switzerland has but this would virtually mean free movement of people across a British border with the EU which many would tell you is certainly not what they voted for.
Sounds like another referendum is inevitable if only on the terms of our departure from the EU. It could be simply for EEA membership, EFTA membership or non of the above. If non of the above wins we have a hard Irish border with customs and passport checks, if either of the others win we have a soft border in some form that meets the requirements of whichever wins. No one was asked that with an in out referendum and no party campaigned on those opinions other than the Lib Dems
PUBLISHED: 15:45 14 June 2017 | UPDATED: 15:45 14 June 2017
Since then the rest of Europe has seen the fiasco of Brexit and opinions have changed. Your article was pre Brexit.
exactly. well said.
Sick Boy
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To me it feels like 5 years since the vote, not months
Sadly for Astute not everyone in EU shares his Britishcentric viewpoint.
You wouldn't would you, we've seen your opinions on the Brits before pal. You've got about as much to do with Brexit as Bob Geldof !!To me it feels like 5 years since the vote, not months
Sadly for Astute not everyone in EU shares his Britishcentric viewpoint.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
That's bizarre considering that I consider myself to be British.
Do you think Britain's disorganised and somewhat chaotic approach thus far will provide for a sensible Brexit?
Astute
Well-Known Member
How can you try to bullshit when the proof is right in front of us all?
Astute
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Astute
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So an unbiased view on a bad deal for us is a bad deal for others can't bring a proper response.To me it feels like 5 years since the vote, not months
Sadly for Astute not everyone in EU shares his Britishcentric viewpoint.
Just as expected.
Grendel
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They've said they want an open border - do clearly that's not an issue to them.
as is obvious if you look at the date above.
Astute
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And the date is?
They said the would be in favour of a sea border with the UK. So they would have customs control at their ports - also in NI ports.
Oh yes. I'll eat my hat.
Astute
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As I and others have been saying a bad deal for us is a bad deal for others.
It is down to how much the EU wants everyone to suffer. Do they want to risk their project on making it difficult for us?
Wouldn't be surprised either way.
Grendel
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How does it work between Sweden and Norway?
skybluetony176
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A bad deal will be far far worse for the UK than the EU. This could smash the UK while barely scratching EU. Joe average in the EU street probably won’t even notice the difference, whereas the UK will feel it at every level of society.
skybluetony176
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Norway is in the EEA you muppet they have to contribute to the EU budget but have no voting rights and accept the free movement of goods, services and people with the EU.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
LOL
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
..and nothing to do with the UK, of course. It's all down to the EU.
Again
TripAdvisor:
Switzerland is a member of the Schengen Area (an area consisting of most countries on the European continent, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland. It does not include the UK or Ireland) and no passport checks are done on people crossing borders within the Schengen area.
clint van damme
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started reading some stuff by this fella including his blog and there's some truly worrying stuff and it backs up my theory that we are more entwined in the mechanisms of the EU than most people realised, certainly more than I realised, (I'm sure the usual suspects will dismiss what he's written):
As a British EU negotiator, I can tell you that Brexit is going to be far worse than anyone could have guessed
Convinces me that the rush to leave by the March 19 deadline is suicidal and we should take as long as needed to make sure we have solutions to some of the issues he's hi-lighted.
As a British EU negotiator, I can tell you that Brexit is going to be far worse than anyone could have guessed
Convinces me that the rush to leave by the March 19 deadline is suicidal and we should take as long as needed to make sure we have solutions to some of the issues he's hi-lighted.
Grendel
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So why can't the agreement be extended to uk and Ireland as part of our agreement regarding trading arrangements with the EU? Sick boy says the Irish wouldn't want some contaminated meat (unless it's eggs or horse meat from the EU) but the swedes aren't bothered are they?
skybluetony176
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This is exactly the point I’ve been trying to make to astute. Someone who thinks they know everything doesn’t seem to know his EEA from his EFTA from his hard brexit. He brings Norway and Switzerland into the equation as a solution to the Irish border clearly with zero understanding of the details of the arrangements either country has with the EU. They’re both out of the EU in the same sense that Australia are out but they all have a varying different degree of commitment to the EU.
Does out mean EFTA membership?
Does out mean EEA membership?
Or non of the above?
Grendull seems confused.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Are you intentionally being a bit slow?
Nobody who voted leave, or remain for that matter, went through these issues before placing a cross on a ballot paper. They voted blind and mostly with very little thought to the big immediate problems, let alone the "surprises" which keep cropping up. Did the Chatham postal worker consider certifying airport saftey workers or what Euratom does? No. But, he is chomping at the bit to leave. He probably hates the drunkard Juncker and Merkel's Fourth Reich in Brussels, but that is the total of his knowledge gained through skimmimg through the gutter press on his coffee break and listening to Farage and BoJo on the Tele.
clint van damme
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i agree, I differ slightly from you in that I don't want a 2nd referendum, ( the country is split now, I think that would break it beyond repair),but I wish people would admit to how big this whole thing is, take a pause and plan to get it done in a realistic time scale.
It's becoming apparent that 17 months isn't enough and there's too much focus on the final settlement to the detriment of other key issues.