The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (58 Viewers)
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Astute
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Would you like to point it out then as it isn't what Barnier said.
Sick Boy
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No comment on the Tories' use of legal citizens as bargaining chips then?
We should sign up for what we do know and leave the details for later. As Barnier suggests.
According to you.
Astute
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No comment on Barnier using legal citizens as a bargaining chip then?
It is the EU that won't put millions of people's mind at rest until money has been spoken about. But you make out that it is the other way round.
Look at how many billions they need so it can go to the wrong places in Italy.
Astute
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Still won't have anything said against Luxembourg and Juncker will you?
The U.K. could show how great it is compared to the evil EU simply by guaranteeing EU citizens who are here that they will retain all rights that have now. Money is one thing, but citizens rights should be guaranteed as a priority - by both sides.
Astute
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Why?
You won't mind us paying untold billions to the EU as it won't cost you a penny. It is us that live in the UK that will have to pay for it.
Astute
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Have you forgotten that we have already said that everyone can stay. But the EU hasn't said a word about those from the UK living in the EU. And you are one of them.
Is that why you are desperate to get your German citizenship?
Constantly do have things said against Luxemburg, but if there is going to be a clean up, let’s make it comprehensive and not just that companies like Apple move their cash to Jersey from Luxemburg. Otherwise it seems like you just hate Juncker and the EU and don’t care about tax dodging.
I said treat the two things as different. Which is a bit different to what you say I said.
I am desperate to get German citizenship because I don’t like the way things are heading and won’t rely on Davis, Johnson, Gove and co. for my future well being. May doesn’t count. She is just piggy in the middle until she falls.
Astute
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This comment shows that you only remember the posts you don't like against the EU and Juncker and don't remember the ones you agree with.
Astute
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And nothing to do with the way the EU is taking it?
Astute
Well-Known Member
Treat which two things differently?
SIR ERNIE
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The UK wanted to guarantee citizens rights from day one, so already has the moral high ground on this point but on the basis that your EU friends want to use them as bargaining chips then we are absolutely correct to do the same.
Citizenship and what we owe above membership until we leave and any liabilities that we agreed to.
No. I am allowed to have dual citizenship because the U.K. is an EU member. Up until now, Germany wants U.K. citizens to apply for citizenship. I contribute to their economy.
No they didn’t. For example the U.K. doesn’t like them bringing non EU spouses into Britain as an EU citizen. That is one right that the U.K. would abolish. It is a bit like saying „we will honour our commitments“ but not being clear what they are. Or saying no EU member country will pay more through us leaving instead of putting it in writing that we will pay our membership until we leave.
Wriggle, wriggle, dodge, dodge. I certainly won’t be putting my future in these bollocks hands. The EU is much more transparent in these negotiations.
Apropos transparent. How is your mate Farage handling the allegations about his affair with his assistant? The English one, not the French one. The one he told that his marriage to a German wasn’t real. ( or maybe he told all affairs the same story ..).
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
He also said that's great as it means it will be easier to hire and fire people and cut regulations.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
The strong and stable government holding all the cards yet again makes another concession Parliament to get final vote on Brexit deal
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
The EU isn't using them as bargaining chips. You'd make a great spin doctor for the Tories.
Astute
Well-Known Member
I finally admit defeat and admit it is a waste of time trying to have a debate with you. You ignore the truth and make your own story up all the time.
It was Juncker who said that we had to come to agreement with a leaving penalty, citizens rights and what will happen with Ireland before we can go onto a trade deal. And all 3 must be signed at the same time.
And yes I called it a penalty. We have agreed up until 2019 what the budget is. But the EU wants much more. So they want much more than we had already agreed.
Astute
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Why can't we agree on a deal for that right now when they say it is all about agreed already?
Grendel
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So the Eu have granted permanent residency for all uk citizens in Europe? Missed that one
Astute
Well-Known Member
That got ignored earlier when I mentioned it as usual.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Why should it when the other side is using their citizens as bargaining chips?
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
I suspect that the EU doesn't really trust the UK at the moment. The government is also seen as being extremely weak and out of its depth.
SIR ERNIE
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I suspect that the UK doesn't really trust the EU at the moment. Germany is struggling to form a government, Spain is in a constitutional crisis, ultra-right parties are on the rise across the continent and we are dealing with a non-entity called Barnier who is extremely weak and out of his depth.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
It's strange that the UK has continually made concessions though, isn't it?
Really? And where did you get that information? It will take a long time to get to a figure. Barnier has already said we don’t need all the details yet. Juncker isn’t doing the negotiating anyway. We could still sign all three having agreed to a large part of the financial side. No one, not even Barnier, is expecting all details to be finalised before we move on. The EU wants much more than the budget. Yes, because their are projects to be completed and indemnities to be covered. Then there is the UK‘s share of investments to be calculated against any figure. It will take a long time, but why haven’t we put a serious offer on the table knowing these facts? We are just pretending there is nothing apart from, maybe, the current budget. That is bollocks, and whatever the final figure is, it is a lot more than that.
Grendel
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Well it hasn’t and I can assure you that having spoken to leading people in German motor manufacturers they seem far far more concerned than major UK motor manufacturers. That is a 100% fact and you like me as a person who puts the UK first I’m sure finds some reassurance from that.
Germany will form a government though. No party wants another election. Spain is in a constitutional crisis, but is not negotiating with the U.K. and nor is Germany.
Barnier is in a strong position because he has a brief which has been democratically agreed upon. The U.K. has several different versions of what Brexit is and how best to go about achieving it. The PM could vanish into oblivion at any time. There could be an election before we finally leave with a less than certain outcome. The cabinet will no doubt be changed again and there will be more resignations from the negotiating team - based on current form and the number of scandals around in the U.K.. What a mess.