The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (264 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Will do later on am at work at the moment, had to avoid coming on here as they start going through our Internet history haha

I think your confusing Junker original 50 billion which did not include projects beyond the initial contribution I have the breakdown now.

 

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[Astute]

Again. It’s called the power of veto.

The same veto that Juncker is going on about getting rid of?

 

[skybluetony176]

Oh hello tiny. This is an article that appeared in the Times. It actually says although it would be less than £84 billion net it’s considerably more than the £50 billion originally proposed by Junke. It says that in the article Tiny.

Furthermore the £40 billion includes funding the two year transition so the net figure comparison is less than £20 billion

Anyway this might be all confusing for you so the devils in the detail

The detail being in the article stating the net figure is considerably more than the £50 billion originally proposed.

Can’t you read Tiny?

I can Grendull. It’s you that is struggling. You can’t even make your mind up if it’s € or £. Still, contradiction is nothing new for you. Good day.

 

[skybluetony176]

The same veto that Juncker is going on about getting rid of?

Something we could have vetoed.

 

[skybluetony176]

I have the full breakdown of what he demands but will not be able to link as it’s an FT article.

Just to put Tony’s mind (lol) at rest and save him checking with the welsh branch of the EU the total projection that barnier demanded was e111 billion and the rebate around 35 billion (min 29 max 42) so the net figure is around 75 to 80 billion.

My mind at rest? It was me who advised you to find some different “evidence” because the article you originally linked as evidence contradicted you. Seems you took my advice to put your own mind at rest you little joker you.

 

[Astute]

Something we could have vetoed.

Cameron gave away some of the rebate that Maggie got. I don't trust politicians.

 

[skybluetony176]

Cameron gave away some of the rebate that Maggie got. I don't trust politicians.

And you’re right not to, on that we’ll agree. Still doesn’t change the fact that we have/had the power of veto. If our elected British government chose not to use it against the will of the British people then that’s a domestic issue.

 

[Grendel]

My mind at rest? It was me who advised you to find some different “evidence” because the article you originally linked as evidence contradicted you. Seems you took my advice to put your own mind at rest you little joker you.

The actual article I posted said it was considerably more than 50 million you clueless fool

 

[skybluetony176]

I have the full breakdown of what he demands but will not be able to link as it’s an FT article.

Just to put Tony’s mind (lol) at rest and save him checking with the welsh branch of the EU the total projection that barnier demanded was e111 billion and the rebate around 35 billion (min 29 max 42) so the net figure is around 75 to 80 billion.

I've read the article now and it says word for word "The tougher stance amounts to a gross settlement of €91bn-€113bn, which over many years would net at about €55bn-€75bn." and you ask me if I can read. In today's money that equates to £48.58b - £ 66.24b GBP. So the leaked agreed settlement if correct is a lot nearer to the EU's demands than either Davis with his "we won't have to pay a penny" stance or May's offer of €20b.

 

[skybluetony176]

The actual article I posted said it was considerably more than 50 million you clueless fool

You should probably read what you link in full before you link it.

 

[martcov]

Oh ok then is that the rules ok then i think you should be ashamed of your vote. Actually no it doesn’t I don’t want to stoop to your level. I respect the way you voted but disagree, you disagree and are ashamed of how I voted.

You don’t look any better than trump or Putin.

There is a mess at the moment and even you are not happy about the way things are going. It is not my fault that you are not happy. It is your own fault for voting us into this mess and therefore you should be ashamed - not me.

 

[martcov]

You’re delusional. Where on the ballot paper did it show me remain asking for more countries to join and to give up more legislations and laws? An eu army? To join the euro? An eu superstate?

It doesn’t and shouldn’t have. These are matters for parliament to decide on, not people who haven’t bothered to think things through. You are the one claiming the government had already made it clear what would happen. I asked you where they did that.

 

[martcov]

Just so you know we have had a common travel area dating back to early 1920’s when North and Southern Ireland split. Over 50 years before we joined the EU. Hope this helps.

Fox just threatened that arrangement. Apart from that, the more pressing point is the GFA which would be broken by us.

 

[Captain Dart]

No. You are the one claiming that everything was Honky Dory as regards we had everything in the 60s, and not noticing the increase in soft fruits or flights. Desperate stuff indeed.

You're bonkers.

 

[martcov]

You deny that it the rise in violence has, in part, to do with right wing groups? Some drunken right winger tried to kill a mayor the day before yesterday because he didn’t like the integration policy. You never mentioned that. You would have if a Muslim had done it though.

 

[martcov]

You're bonkers.

I am certainly not, but could be excused if I were for putting up with some of the crap on here. Any Breibart news to quote today?

 

[Captain Dart]

What crime wave? The number of violent crimes committed by extreme groups has rocketed, especially right wing groups. Burglary from Croatian, Hungarian and Ukrainian gangs.

Totally and utterly bonkers.

 

[martcov]

All new entrans to the EU now have to take up the Euro.

Can you guarantee that we wouldn't have to take it up in the future?

„If they meet the criteria and want to“ was the rest of the quote.

 

[Captain Dart]

I am certainly not, but could be excused if I were for putting up with some of the crap on here. Any Breibart news to quote today?

You are and you've proved it time & time again over 276 pages.

 

[martcov]

Totally and utterly bonkers.

Well no point in answering a person that is losing and results to nothing more than personal insults. So I‘ll ignore any future crap you may choose to post. Unless of course it is contains relevant information.

 

[martcov]

You are and you've proved it time & time again over 276 pages.

How? By disagreeing with some of the crap on here?

 

[martcov]

The same veto that Juncker is going on about getting rid of?

Not on every issue.

 

[martcov]

Totally and utterly bonkers.

Check it out and then comment.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

You deny that it the rise in violence has, in part, to do with right wing groups? Some drunken right winger tried to kill a mayor the day before yesterday because he didn’t like the integration policy. You never mentioned that. You would have if a Muslim had done it though.

This debate is already dead.

Right wing violence has grown for pretty much only one reason: This is the mass migration of people with different belief systems (mainly muslim) from third world countries forced by weak governments across Europe that seem pretty hand in hand with these individuals on the idea that our culture, way of life, and heritage is destroyed. Couple this is in with the growing violence that has come with it... This includes muggings, sexual assaults, gang violence, and terrorism.

Politicians won't listen. The left shout racist. Some people take it into their own hands.

P.S. Most of the incidents involving migrant crime across Europe are not being reported, especially in Sweden. Even with that in the way, I could have still probably doubled this thread in length containing incidents involving them since the day it was started.

 

[Ashdown]

This debate is already dead.

Right wing violence has grown for pretty much only one reason: This is the mass migration of people with different belief systems (mainly muslim) from third world countries forced by weak governments across Europe that seem pretty hand in hand with these individuals on the idea that our culture, way of life, and heritage is destroyed. Couple this is in with the growing violence that has come with it... This includes muggings, sexual assaults, gang violence, and terrorism.

Politicians won't listen. The left shout racist. Some people take it into their own hands.

P.S. Most of the incidents involving migrant crime across Europe are not being reported, especially in Sweden. Even with that in the way, I could have still probably doubled this thread in length containing incidents involving them since the day it was started.

It's hard not to disagree with most of that. If governments were not forever pandering to the shouty outraged left wing PC morons and stuck to common sense, statistics and credible evidence there would not be a platform for right wing lunatics to jump on either. In the UK way too many crimes are being committed by newly arrived foreigners from third world countries and with a third world mentality on life and crime, the papers and media are full of them and not just the right wing press.

The UK is portrayed across the world as the land of milk and honey and when individuals risk life and limb to travel half way across the middle east or Africa to get here and then find it's actually still quite tough at the bottom end of society, that is when the envy, greed and trouble and criminality starts. They also quickly realise our security forces, border control, police and court sentences are mostly laughably soft.

A gradual trickle of capable and skilled migrants is fabulous for most countries but the shit storm Blair, Merkel and Co have released over the last 20 years is a living nightmare at times and will only get worse.

 

[martcov]

This debate is already dead.

Right wing violence has grown for pretty much only one reason: This is the mass migration of people with different belief systems (mainly muslim) from third world countries forced by weak governments across Europe that seem pretty hand in hand with these individuals on the idea that our culture, way of life, and heritage is destroyed. Couple this is in with the growing violence that has come with it... This includes muggings, sexual assaults, gang violence, and terrorism.

Politicians won't listen. The left shout racist. Some people take it into their own hands.

P.S. Most of the incidents involving migrant crime across Europe are not being reported, especially in Sweden. Even with that in the way, I could have still probably doubled this thread in length containing incidents involving them since the day it was started.

Who is forcing migrants across Europe? Countries have been asked to share the burden of refugees. They have not complied in the main.

How do you know of these crimes if they are not being reported?

I know of petty crimes through people I know, but the major ones- which are not that many - I hear of through the media. Breitbart tries hard to make things up or exaggerate. As with the recent thing when the police offered to jog with women after dark. The police said nothing much happened in their town, but people were worried because of things they had heard of elsewhere. Or last New Year when they claimed that the oldest church in Germany was attacked by Muslims. Turned out to be bollocks.

There are criminal gangs such as the Lebanese in Berlin and Bremen, the Albanians and some Russians in Hamburg, theTurkish Rocker gangs. But then there there are the Hell‘s Angels and the Banditos and other German gangs.

Yes there are bad things in the world, but look at who is twisting them. There is no ethnic monopoly on crime. Usually it is poverty that plays a part. If there are poor migrants they will be more likely to be involved- as was the case with Irish and Scots in Cov in the 60s and 70s. You needed only to read the surnames involved in petty crime and fights in the court pages. I suspect the names are different nowadays.

I have been mugged by right wing skinheads in the 90s who were financing their summer by mugging people. Police said they were meeting at the coast and sleeping on the beach, and generally terrorising people.

Scarred for life, 10 days Rostocker Südklinikum and nearly lost an eye, but kept most of the money I had with me. Tossers couldn’t even rob properly.

So, no I don’t think it is just some Muslims that are causing all the problems.

All these are nothing to do with Merkel or the EU. Merkel‘s Syrians have hardly been mentioned. Statiscally the Syrians are no worse than Germans. Above average for crime are Tunisians, Algerians and Marocans.

The UK has millions of non EU migrants. But you seem to blame the EU for any crimes they commit.

I too am in favour of sending back- where possible- criminals and rejected asylum seekers, but I will not join in this identity thing and right wing crap.

 

[Ashdown]

Mart, the picture is forming of you here and it is one of a person obsessed with right wing head cases. Problem is you keep suggesting anyone of a different view to you must come into that category !

 

[Sick Boy]

It's hard not to disagree with most of that. If governments were not forever pandering to the shouty outraged left wing PC morons and stuck to common sense, statistics and credible evidence there would not be a platform for right wing lunatics to jump on either. In the UK way too many crimes are being committed by newly arrived foreigners from third world countries and with a third world mentality on life and crime, the papers and media are full of them and not just the right wing press.

The UK is portrayed across the world as the land of milk and honey and when individuals risk life and limb to travel half way across the middle east or Africa to get here and then find it's actually still quite tough at the bottom end of society, that is when the envy, greed and trouble and criminality starts. They also quickly realise our security forces, border control, police and court sentences are mostly laughably soft.

A gradual trickle of capable and skilled migrants is fabulous for most countries but the shit storm Blair, Merkel and Co have released over the last 20 years is a living nightmare at times and will only get worse.

What have illegal migrants entering the UK got to do with the EU?

The UK is a living nightmare? Get some fucking perspective.

 

[skybluetony176]

P.S. Most of the incidents involving migrant crime across Europe are not being reported, especially in Sweden. Even with that in the way, I could have still probably doubled this thread in length containing incidents involving them since the day it was started.

 

[Captain Dart]

Countries have been asked to share the burden of refugees.

I think demands were made rather than requests. Good on the countries which have the balls to say no.

 

[martcov]

Mart, the picture is forming of you here and it is one of a person obsessed with right wing head cases. Problem is you keep suggesting anyone of a different view to you must come into that category !

No. I just don’t like right wing people who follow Breitbart without fact checking it, and who post links from Breitbart.

People who endorse Breitbart in this way are too far to the right of me.

Grendel or Astute don’t come into that category, although I argue with them.

So, I don’t class everyone the same. There is a difference between being obsessed and appalled.

Trump‘s retweeting of Britain First tweets beats almost anything on here - and that is saying something.

The worrying part of that, is that Trump is the most powerful man in the world ( based on military capability ) as opposed to right wing posters on SBT letting off steam.

 

[martcov]

I think demands were made rather than requests. Good on the countries which have the balls to say no.

Having the balls to say no to accepting refugees is by no means good.

 

[Astute]

What have illegal migrants entering the UK got to do with the EU?

The UK is a living nightmare? Get some fucking perspective.

If it is a nightmare why do you live here and not Italy as you keep telling us?

 

[martcov]

Similar to some on here....“The Prime Minister's official spokesman said Britain First sought to divide communities through its use of “hateful narratives which peddle lies and stoke tensions"“.

 

[martcov]

If it is a nightmare why do you live here and not Italy as you keep telling us?

You are one of the ones telling us how bad Britain is. Overcrowded roads, hospitals and no housing.....

You live in a great area though. Must be a rare thing if the rest of the UK is in dire straights..