The US didn’t give up. They pulled out because Trump thinks that he can create more jobs and wealth with trade deals more in his favour. That means only with better deals than with the EU - in his favour
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (62 Viewers)
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The US didn’t give up. They pulled out because Trump thinks that he can create more jobs and wealth with trade deals more in his favour. That means only with better deals than with the EU - in his favour
Basically it is the aim of the EU. The UK wants to go at it unilaterally.
clint van damme
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are you mad? The text refers to how they negotiate any trade deal in any country so it won't specifically refer to any "state owned enterprise" in any country but it will encompass all "state owned enterprises" in any country they are negotiating a deal with. That would include the NHS, Fuck me, are you at the wind up?!
"Maybe they could start up private hospitals. But the NHS is free to use." and that is naive beyond belief.
Astute
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India?
Astute
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Explain how they wuld b able to take over a free to use service that is run by the UK government that costs countless billions a year to run and then make money out of it?
Astute
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fernandopartridge
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Not a problem for us as we have no state owned enterprises that trade in the open market
clint van damme
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I think you work in the NHS FP, do you think that could change? Could it change as part of a trade agreement?
Astute
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You seem to have got the wrong end of it.
So how could they take over something that costs billions to run but doesn't charge for it?
clint van damme
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how have Virgin taken over parts of the NHS? Another one Fernando may be able to shed some light on.
Sick Boy
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Hahaha!!
Astute
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Do you know what state owned enterprises are?
It is those things Corbyn says we will buy back if he gets in power. They have all been sold off here.
The same thing that the french are having strikes and riots over. They need to take rights off the workers first.
But it is easy to make a comment against me than admit what the real truth is if you do understand.
Astute
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clint van damme
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I thought it related to the whole NHS but just looked it up and it's only certain parts, e.g NHS property services.Though they own many of the buildings that the NHS services operate from so that's a bit worrying.
Astute
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And a waste of money.
Hospitals have been paid for with private money then paid for long term by the government. IIRC every 15 years of paying for them is what they cost to build. So it doesn't take many hospitals and many years before we are losing billions each year.
But as I said NHS patient care will be safe for as long as we can afford to pay for it.....
Not just the EU.
Astute
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Did I say it was?
You must be always waiting to defend what doesn't need defending. Who said the EU?
It looks like Italy, Spain, France and Greece mainly from the EU. And I can't see what they could or would do against China. It won't make much difference to the EU as a whole.
The world will be a safer place when oil isn't needed like it is now.
The article starts „EU hurt“.
Trump’s mania is going to hurt the world economy and the US economy. Without even thinking about world peace.
fernandopartridge
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There isn't sufficient money in the NHS for the most part to make it attractive, after the changes to the Public Contract Regulations there was anticipated to be a rush of interest from overseas, 2 years on it hasn't materialised.
The only wholesale privatisation of an NHS hospital ended abruptly when Circle Health realised there wasn't a blank cheque book and no means of controlling who came through the door.
That all said, with Jeremy the c**t as Secretary of State, who knows what insidious changes are to come.
fernandopartridge
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They've won a lot of community contracts but haven't made a penny in profit yet (according to their published accounts anyway).
fernandopartridge
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NHS PS' main objective I think is to dispose of 'obsolete' NHS estate.
They act as landlord to other NHS healthcare providers, charging market rates which is just robbing Peter to pay Paul
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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skybluetony176
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Not sure what it has to do with the EU but can’t see the difference between this and church bells myself. I don’t have a problem with church bells either.
Astute
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The church bells would have been ringing before people moved there. People will have lived near this mosque before the call was even considered. I am a shift worker. I need to sleep during the day.
110 decibels?
Live rock music is between 108 and 114 decibels. Could you sleep through that?
skybluetony176
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I wouldn’t be asleep on a Friday afternoon. I couldn't sleep through church bells either and there’s more chance of those waking me on a Sunday morning. Still don’t have a problem with either and still don’t see what it has to do with the EU. Other than a pattern of anti EU feeling turning into anti Islam feeling such as the out means out, I know what I voted for type Facebook pages and their new enemy. I look forward to the days when my mum gets accused of being a bomb maker again like she did in the seventies because of her Irish accent such is the direction some people seem intent on taking us, backwards. We’ve sorted the EU out let’s move onto the Muslims, next it will be lumping Indians in with Pakistanis, followed by an anti African movement followed by an anti anyone not white, followed by anyone with a non British accent. Funnily enough my mum does have a British accent and is a Protestant. Didn’t stop kids ill informed by parents asking me if she was an IRA member when I was at school though. And this is the nonsense people want to drag us back to. Funnily enough they all seemed to have voted leave as well in my experience.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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The EU have supported open borders, so it has a lot to do with them.
As for your opinion on the matter, many people hold the same as yours, which is why so many voted against all that in 2016.
clint van damme
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spot on. The same people who are using anti-Semitism as a stick to beat Corbyn with are using exactly the same rhetoric as was being used against Jews at the end of the 40s start of the 50s.
And when I say same, I mean identical with the word Jews and the words Muslims being interchangeable.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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This is diffferent, people feel that their culture is being erased. The article I posted backs that up.
Agree with it or don't agree with it. You have to understand that people might feel the opposite way. It doesn't mean they are hateful.
clint van damme
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as I said, same type of language.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Am I wrong though?
Surely the link I posted backs that up.
It's not being hateful, it's simply the truth.
clint van damme
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I think you are wrong.
Was British culture eroded by the arrival of Jewish people at the end of the 2nd world war?
skybluetony176
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It’s called globalisation. Grow up and deal with it. It’s happening regardless of your personal failure to deal with change. The next time I go to an English or Irish themed pub in a Muslim country won’t be the first. It’s happening everywhere in the world. It’s not a UK or EU phenomenon.
skybluetony176
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Our culture is foreign influenced from cucumber sandwich’s on the lawn to drinking tea.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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That's not the point, this is different.
This is like something I don't think we have ever seen before.
and no... I am not saying we need to take holocaust action!
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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No, I won't grow up and deal with it. Neither will many millions of others. You throw your toys out the pram because people voted to leave, but you are literally proving right now why people had a genuinely good reason to do it.
We are told we are to love that we are all different, but at the same time told we should be happy to lose that.
I don't even need to insult you and tell you that you're clueless about the bigger picture here. You've demonstrated all that yourself.