The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (60 Viewers)

[Astute]

3% of their exports come to the uk according to the article. It’s 11500 miles away. Good, but relatively insignificant.

So the EU isn't that goid then considering we are the biggest exporter in it.

 

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[Astute]

Stop being negative. NZ has a population of 4.6M they’re easily worth the risk of leaving a free trade agreement with 508M on our doorstep for.

So is that a negative for the EU as well then?

Of course not. Your negativity only goes one way.

 

[Astute]

They? Who are they? Them and us. Always them and us nowadays. Who pushed the them and us? NF, BNP, Britain First? For Britain, Nigel Farage. Now you speak the same language. Shows how the country has changed over the last couple of years. They... in this case... seems to be Arab refugees. Why don’t you at least give „them“ a name or description?

Why do you have to make up rubbish all the time?

 

[martcov]

If only you could look at the situation without your pro EU goggles on.

What I have said countless times is that the EU needs reform. Even you agree with me here. But reform is the last thing on the agenda. People power is rising. I am not saying that it is a good thing. But all the EU wants to do is make the EU bigger without fixing what is wrong.

Being able to see what trouble could lie ahead isn't being anti EU. It is being realistic. And yes I do blame the EU for the direction that they are taking the whole thing in.

Italy has major problems. The EU answer is to close the borders. Or at least they did nothing to keep the borders open. But I suppose they didn't want to upset Macron. So where is the help for Italy and Greece? We are all supposed to be in it together.

You keep making out that there is only peace in Europe because of the EU. There had been peace for many years before the EU came about. So what has the EU done that has kept the peace?

As I have said before if it carries on like this there is more chance of it causing trouble than stopping it. It keeps the rich richer and the poor poorer. If anti EU sentiment carries on at this rate it won't be long before it gets out of hand. But you just can't see it. And before you say it I don't want it to happen. And before you say it won't happen just look at Italy. Nobody knows what will happen next.

The EU needs reform. It must adapt. Not at any price though.

The EU didn’t just come about. It goes back to the first deals on coal and steel signed between countries that had fought against each other twice in the first half of the last century. A major step towards peaceful cooperation which has evolved into the EU. To want that to break up and be replaced by sovereign nation states which we know from experience, war against each other, is a totally flawed concept. Anyone who wishes the break up of the EU is either a fascist or denying reality. I put you under denying reality. I know where I would put Farage etc..

By all means critise and work with others to make things better. With you all the way, but to wish or hope for a Brexit style break up is crazy. Not that you necessarily want that, but Farage and his fans do.

Are you claiming that Grece and Italy get no help from the EU? Do you think Italy with the Lira and constant currency crises and devaluations, which ended up with collapsing governments, was better than the Euro? People like to forget the past and make out that Italy‘s problems started with the EU.

 

[martcov]

So is that a negative for the EU as well then?

Of course not. Your negativity only goes one way.

No, it is a positive for the EU because there are 28 countries involved with 500m people. The amount of trade with the bloc is more than just 3% and the potential is far greater than for just one country.

The EU is not desperately knocking on everyone‘s door for a trade deal, so it more of an extra than a necessity. The more the merrier.

 

[Astute]

The EU needs reform. It must adapt. Not at any price though.

The EU didn’t just come about. It goes back to the first deals on coal and steel signed between countries that had fought against each other twice in the first half of the last century. A major step towards peaceful cooperation which has evolved into the EU. To want that to break up and be replaced by sovereign nation states which we know from experience, war against each other, is a totally flawed concept. Anyone who wishes the break up of the EU is either a fascist or denying reality. I put you under denying reality. I know where I would put Farage etc..

By all means critise and work with others to make things better. With you all the way, but to wish or hope for a Brexit style break up is crazy. Not that you necessarily want that, but Farage and his fans do.

Are you claiming that Grece and Italy get no help from the EU? Do you think Italy with the Lira and constant currency crises and devaluations, which ended up with collapsing governments, was better than the Euro? People like to forget the past and make out that Italy‘s problems started wit

Wish or hope for an EU breakup?

Not at all. I was all for reform. Then Barnier said no chance. But you missed it every time it was brought up.

You keep saying that the EU is strong. You even try to brush off the racist vote in Germany. You blame everyone except the EU for everything.

So what help are they giving Greece and Italy after the borders were closed and all the refugees were left stranded?

 

[Astute]

No, it is a positive for the EU because there are 28 countries involved with 500m people. The amount of trade with the bloc is more than just 3% and the potential is far greater than for just one country.

The EU is not desperately knocking on everyone‘s door for a trade deal, so it more of an extra than a necessity. The more the merrier.

So it isn't needed because there is only 4m people?

 

[martcov]

So the EU isn't that goid then considering we are the biggest exporter in it.

11500 miles may give you a clue.

 

[martcov]

So it isn't needed because there is only 4m people?

30 million sheep. Lamb and wool.

 

[Astute]

11500 miles may give you a clue.

Make your mind up. It is either good or bad.

 

[martcov]

Wish or hope for an EU breakup?

Not at all. I was all for reform. Then Barnier said no chance. But you missed it every time it was brought up.

You keep saying that the EU is strong. You even try to brush off the racist vote in Germany. You blame everyone except the EU for everything.

So what help are they giving Greece and Italy after the borders were closed and all the refugees were left stranded?

Barnier is negotiating Brexit. You mean Juncker or the whole EU who are sticking to the 4 principles which include FOM. That’s what everyone signed up to and is not up for discussion. You cannot take EU citizens‘ rights from them. You can still reform the parliament, the commission, the council and alter rules and regulations.

I am pointing out that AfD represents 12,5% of the vote in Germany and less than 6% in the state where I live. Call it brushing off if you want.

 

[skybluetony176]

And everyone knows you were saying that it was a payment made to farmers Mr Keyboardwarrior.

Ha ha ha. what a clown you are

astute
əˈstjuːt/
adjective

1. having or showing an ability to accurately assess situations or people and turn this to one's advantage.

I've just shown you multiple times where I not only haven't said what you're trying to say I have but I've only actually said Land Owners, everytime. Maybe "Astute" is meant to be ironic?

 

[martcov]

Make your mind up. It is either good or bad.

All relative as I said at the beginning. Not the most important market in the world. Good if you like lamb though

 

[martcov]

Brexit costs each UK household £900, Bank of England governor Mark Carney says

 

[Astute]

I am pointing out that AfD represents 12,5% of the vote in Germany and less than 6% in the state where I live. Call it brushing off if you want.

1 in 8 Germans voted for a racist party. That is 1 in 8 too many.

 

[Astute]

Ha ha ha. what a clown you are

astute
əˈstjuːt/
adjective

1. having or showing an ability to accurately assess situations or people and turn this to one's advantage.

I've just shown you multiple times where I not only haven't said what you're trying to say I have but I've only actually said Land Owners, everytime. Maybe "Astute" is meant to be ironic?

Billshit. You kept calling it farmers money. How much of it went to farmers and how much went to the rich landowners?

 

[Astute]

All relative as I said at the beginning. Not the most important market in the world. Good if you like lamb though

Look back. You agreed with the keyboard warrior that it wasn't worth it to the UK as only 4.6m people live there. But you think that it is great for the EU.

And the biggest trade partner in the EU is the UK at 20% of the whole trade with the EU. So the other 80% is shared with 27 countries. Average of 3% each.

And this is why stupid arguments start on here. You and others twist the truth frequently. Why can't you be honest so we can have a proper debate?

 

[martcov]

Look back. You agreed with the keyboard warrior that it wasn't worth it to the UK as only 4.6m people live there. But you think that it is great for the EU.

And the biggest trade partner in the EU is the UK at 20% of the whole trade with the EU. So the other 80% is shared with 27 countries. Average of 3% each.

And this is why stupid arguments start on here. You and others twist the truth frequently. Why can't you be honest so we can have a proper debate?

No I didn’t. I said it is not a major market.

 

[Astute]

Brexit costs each UK household £900, Bank of England governor Mark Carney says

Mark Carney. One of those who saw an immediate disaster if we voted leave....including inflation rocketing. So now he says inflation is low because we voted leave.

Shows how much some experts know.

Wasn't that long ago when he was blaming the snow for it.

Yet the UK stockmarket has hit a new high....

UK households £900 worse off since Brexit vote says Bank, but FTSE hits new high - as it happened

 

[martcov]

1 in 8 Germans voted for a racist party. That is 1 in 8 too many.

Yes. It is. But, they are no way going to take power in Germany. So, I am irritated that they exist, but they are, as you say, a minority. They are also regional. We don’t like them here.

 

[Astute]

Yes. It is. But, they are no way going to take power in Germany. So, I am irritated that they exist, but they are, as you say, a minority. They are also regional. We don’t like them here.

UKIP were always a minority here. But you made them out to be massive.

 

[martcov]

Mark Carney. One of those who saw an immediate disaster if we voted leave....including inflation rocketing. So now he says inflation is low because we voted leave.

Shows how much some experts know.

He steered us through the immediate shock and has now pointed out what it cost us until now. What happened to the Brexit boom?

 

[Astute]

He steered us through the immediate shock and has now pointed out what it cost us until now. What happened to the Brexit boom?

How about the link I put up or the last part of my message?

Brexit boom?

We were supposed to have crashed and burn by now. So who said a boom while still ruled by the EU?

 

[martcov]

UKIP were always a minority here. But you made them out to be massive.

No I didn’t. I made Farage out to be constantly in the news. Which he is. UKIP also caused more damage to the Conservative party and BNP which got the Tories into a panic that may lose more votes and the BNP seems to have been swept away. Result was a referendum which has split the country and slowed growth in relation to other EU countries.

UKIP has poisoned the atmosphere. Long gone is „Cool Britannia“. Now we have „Brexit Britain“. Yuk.

 

[Astute]

No I didn’t. I made Farage out to be constantly in the news. Which he is. UKIP also caused more damage to the Conservative party and BNP which got the Tories into a panic that may lose more votes and the BNP seems to have been swept away. Result was a referendum which has split the country and slowed growth in relation to other EU countries.

UKIP has poisoned the atmosphere. Long gone is „Cool Britannia“. Now we have „Brexit Britain“. Yuk.

So the AfD don't make the news in Germany?

 

[martcov]

How about the link I put up or the last part of my message?

Brexit boom?

We were supposed to yave crashed and burn by now. So who said a boom while still ruled by the EU?

„Brexit Boom“ gets pulled out every now and then by the „Express“. Latest was when the pound got stronger. Only a blip because of speculation about interest rates.

The true effect of Brexit will be felt after we know whether we are leaving with no deal or not.

 

[martcov]

So the AfD don't make the news in Germany?

They make news for the disgusting things they say and get rebuked for. Appeals to their base, but revolts the rest. Making news is not a measure of political power.

 

[Grendel]

Yes. It is. But, they are no way going to take power in Germany. So, I am irritated that they exist, but they are, as you say, a minority. They are also regional. We don’t like them here.

Didn’t their vote double in your area Mart?

 

[Grendel]

What on Earth is Tony droning on about farming subsidies for?

 

[Astute]

„Brexit Boom“ gets pulled out every now and then by the „Express“. Latest was when the pound got stronger. Only a blip because of speculation about interest rates.

The true effect of Brexit will be felt after we know whether we are leaving with no deal or not.

So what has the Express got to do with it?

This is how stupid your debate gets at times. If someone who doesn't try to constantly defend the EU quotes the Express they are told it doesn't count as it is the Express. But then you quote them whenever you want to and make out it is a valid point for some reason.

 

[Grendel]

Oh no Marts back to seeing right wing people.....all the time

 

[Astute]

They make news for the disgusting things they say and get rebuked for. Appeals to their base, but revolts the rest. Making news is not a measure of political power.

So why not mention them as often as you mention UKIP then?

And you admit that making news is not a measure of political power for one but make out it is for another?

 

[Astute]

What on Earth is Tony droning on about farming subsidies for?

Be careful. He will be coming out with fighting talk with you as well.

 

[skybluetony176]

Billshit. You kept calling it farmers money. How much of it went to farmers and how much went to the rich landowners?

I’ve linked what I said Mr Idiot and I never once called it farmers money, I did call it a farming subsidy though and made the point EVERYTIME I said it that it went to the land owner. Shall I link it all again for you to ignore. You’re making a right idiot of yourself here. Probably why your new best mate has jumped in to defend you at any point. Even he realises that you’re talking complete bollocks.

 

[Grendel]

I’ve linked what I said Mr Idiot and I never once called it farmers money, I did call it a farming subsidy though and made the point EVERYTIME I said it that it went to the land owner. Shall I link it all again for you to ignore. You’re making a right idiot of yourself here. Probably why your new best mate has jumped in to defend you at any point. Even he realises that you’re talking complete bollocks.

I don’t understand.

Well it goes to the owner of the Land where there is a farm. James Dyson I assume qualifies because he has a farming business that meets the subsidy rules from the snout in the trough EU

The CAP is a clusterfuck