The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (197 Viewers)

[martcov]

Let's rephrase what I said then.

When did you last say anything good about the UK?

So back to the so called enquiry.

It was about Selmayr getting the top position in the EU. He wasn't allowed to go for it as he didn't already have a high enough position. The position wasn't advertised like EU rules say it has to be. He was given a position high enough to apply. Immediately afterwards Juncker sent out an email saying that two people had applied for the job that nobody knew was available. 11 minutes later he sent out another email saying one of the two had dropped out. So the winner by default was Selmayr.

So onto the enquiry. Selmayr now has the top job. Just below him is Juncker. They are in on the enquiry on how they got together to get Selmayr the top job. Yeah Mart. All done properly.

So they said it wouldn't happen again. Of course it won't. He has the top job for life. Just in time for our escape from the EU and ready to help his country GERMANY over the dieselgate fiasco.

But of course Germany doesn't have a big say in the EU and the EU isn't crooked. We hear you Mart.

I have said that the appointment was a joke. But it stands.

Do you really believe that Selmayr got the job because of Dieselgate? If so, how will he use the job to help Germany? You say Dieselgate has been going on for 10 years. If so, he is a bit late to the party.

We are not escaping the EU. We have triggered article 50. we were allowed to do that. Hardly the great escape or a dramatic bid for independence. Membership was voluntary as is leaving.

 

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[Astute]

I have said that the appointment was a joke. But it stands.

Do you really believe that Selmayr got the job because of Dieselgate? If so, how will he use the job to help Germany? You say Dieselgate has been going on for 10 years. If so, he is a bit late to the party.

We are not escaping the EU. We have triggered article 50. we were allowed to do that. Hardly the great escape or a dramatic bid for independence. Membership was voluntary as is leaving.

It has been going on for 14 years. The EU stated it was illegal 11 years ago. So 11 years of doing nothing.

The EU runs to the benefit of Germany. Now a German is in charge. Selmayr late to the party? More like he will make sure that the EU continues to do nothing.

At least you agree that the way the EU doesn't follow its own rules and regulations is a joke.

 

[martcov]

It has been going on for 14 years. The EU stated it was illegal 11 years ago. So 11 years of doing nothing.

The EU runs to the benefit of Germany. Now a German is in charge. Selmayr late to the party? More like he will make sure that the EU continues to do nothing.

At least you agree that the way the EU doesn't follow its own rules and regulations is a joke.

Peace and prosperity benefits everyone not just Germany. That was the idea behind the EU.

Selmayr is not a commissioner. His influence is more with staffing the civil service.

I agree that Juncker pulled a fast one and bent the law to the limit. I don’t take that as all EU politicians and civil servants are corrupt.

 

[Astute]

Peace and prosperity benefits everyone not just Germany. That was the idea behind the EU.

Selmayr is not a commissioner. His influence is more with staffing the civil service.

I agree that Juncker pulled a fast one and bent the law to the limit. I don’t take that as all EU politicians and civil servants are corrupt.

I didn't say that they are all bent. Just some of those at the top who make the decisions. And it has been proven that they don't care what people think.

And what about the warning that all countries must pull into line or get kicked out?

 

[martcov]

I didn't say that they are all bent. Just some of those at the top who make the decisions. And it has been proven that they don't care what people think.

And what about the warning that all countries must pull into line or get kicked out?

Was that Martin Schulz‘ idea? Who is no longer a MEP and no longer head of the SPD.

 

[wingy]

Have we already left ?
Bananas and Cucumbers already give that Impression
Shorter, bent etc. Lol

 

[torchomatic]

 

[martcov]

The clip is brilliant.

And as predicted the slimy toad Farage is back in the fray. He was never really away from it, after claiming he wanted his life back. Steve Bannon having secured millions from the super rich in the USA, the well known gravy trainer and wannabe „leader“, can now get the money and limelight he craves via the „Leave means Leave“ campaign. The Brexit lies and propaganda will now go into overdrive.... backed by foreign interests and hedge funds.

All in the name of „ordinary folk“.

 

[chiefdave]

And as predicted the slimy toad Farage is back in the fray.

First question that should be asked of Farage is for his detailed alternative plan. If he doesn't have one he should be ignored.

 

[Sick Boy]

Hahaha that's brilliant!

 

[torchomatic]

First question that should be asked of Farage is for his detailed alternative plan. If he doesn't have one he should be ignored.

He will be...oh part from Daily Politics, Question Time, World at One....

 

[Ashdown]

Quite frankly, if we are forced down the road of another referendum on the EU it will show what a farce our so called democracy is, in other words if the EU concedes nothing to the concerns of many of the UK people to at least encourage a rethink then I'm out and by that I'll never vote on anything ever again.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

if we are forced down the road of another referendum on the EU it will show what a farce our so called democracy is

If we're forced down the route of a peoples' vote, it shows what a farce democracy is?

I don't know what people are so afraid of. As leave is so obviously the best option, allowing the people to vote will obviously lead to a landslide ratifying that and any deal made, surely. People who voted to stay in the EU will see the light when they see what a fabulous boost we get from leaving writ large after negotiations.

 

[Grendel]

If we're forced down the route of a peoples' vote, it shows what a farce democracy is?

I don't know what people are so afraid of. As leave is so obviously the best option, allowing the people to vote will obviously lead to a landslide ratifying that and any deal made, surely. People who voted to stay in the EU will see the light when they see what a fabulous boost we get from leaving writ large after negotiations.

That’s the same argument Robert Mugawbwe used in Zimbabwe and again if it’s THE big issue and people really want another referendum or to return the Lib Dem Party will win by a landslide at the next general election.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

That’s the same argument Robert Mugawbwe used in Zimbabwe and again if it’s THE big issue and people really want another referendum or to return the Lib Dem Party will win by a landslide at the next general election.

Nope, because an election is on many different issues. Many pro EU poeople won'#t vote for the Lib Dems, for example, because of their perceiuved betrayal in joining in coalition with the Tories and implementing policies against their manifesto. To suggest it's as simplistic as you make it is nonsensical.

However, General Elections are an affront to democracy if you follow the argument about asking the electorate once, and once only. If that's the case, we should still have a Government driven by Ramsay McDonald's policies...

 

[Grendel]

Nope, because an election is on many different issues. Many pro EU poeople won'#t vote for the Lib Dems, for example, because of their perceiuved betrayal in joining in coalition with the Tories and implementing policies against their manifesto. To suggest it's as simplistic as you make it is nonsensical.

However, General Elections are an affront to democracy if you follow the argument about asking the electorate once, and once only. If that's the case, we should still have a Government driven by Ramsay McDonald's policies...

We had a referendum because of a result in a general election. In the subsequent election over 88% of the electorate voted for a party that supported leaving.

One of those parties had a record vote with a socialist leader who wanted to trigger article 50 the day after the result.

So let’s see:

Government elected who wanted a referendum
Opposition leader who has always loathed Europe recieves a huge vote especially amongst the radical youth vote
Next election the one party that wants a referendum is destroyed.


You don’t like the result so you want another referendum even though the original was clearly stated as a one off.

Nice.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You don’t like the result so you want another referendum even though the original was clearly stated as a one off.

As ever, you distill things in a provocative, simplistic way.

a) This would be the advisory referendum, which did not have to be acted upon. We have not had a referendum on the detail or the result.

b) nobody had any idea of what a deal, or otherwise, would be. Therefore another referendum would be a different question.

c) Democracy involves the ability to have a say on issues. True democracy would be a binding referendum on any deal made, or not

d) Democracy involves the ability to hold to account if it transpires that the platform a result was based upon, was not actually able to be delivered.

e) I repeat, what are you, and anybody else, scared of? If it's such a wonderful thing to leave the EU, and subsequent events have confirmed that, then the result will be even more in favour of leaving. The only reason anybody who wants us to leave would be afraid of another vote is if they fear that actually, the whole leave campaign was a fabrication. Bring it on, get a huge majority for leaving (more than a tokenistic marginal result) and everybody can move on more appropriately.

f) The only anti democrats are those who wish to deny the people a voice. That canm only be due to vested interest.

 

[Grendel]

As ever, you distill things in a provocative, simplistic way.

a) This would be the advisory referendum, which did not have to be acted upon. We have not had a referendum on the detail or the result.

b) nobody had any idea of what a deal, or otherwise, would be. Therefore another referendum would be a different question.

c) Democracy involves the ability to have a say on issues. True democracy would be a binding referendum on any deal made, or not

d) Democracy involves the ability to hold to account if it transpires that the platform a result was based upon, was not actually able to be delivered.

e) I repeat, what are you, and anybody else, scared of? If it's such a wonderful thing to leave the EU, and subsequent events have confirmed that, then the result will be even more in favour of leaving. The only reason anybody who wants us to leave would be afraid of another vote is if they fear that actually, the whole leave campaign was a fabrication. Bring it on, get a huge majority for leaving (more than a tokenistic marginal result) and everybody can move on more appropriately.

f) The only anti democrats are those who wish to deny the people a voice. That canm only be due to vested interest.

Again you don’t like the outcome so want it changed. The liberal media would as they did in the previous referendum deploy fear, scare and bully boy tactics to get their own way. The EU machine does this to any organisation that steps out of line.

Stalin would be proud of you.

I am on the other hand disappointed - I expected better.

 

[skybluetony176]

You don’t like the result so you want another referendum even though the original was clearly stated as a one off.

As was the 75 referendum. Should we ignore the result of the last referendum then? Using your statement we must.

 

[Grendel]

As was the 75 referendum. Should we ignore the result of the last referendum then? Using your statement we must.

I hope you are wumming and not attempting to be serious.

 

[skybluetony176]

I hope you are wumming and not attempting to be serious.

I was thinking the same about you. You seem to be saying that we don’t have the right to change our mind, which is as undemocratic as you can get. And then you go and tell someone else that Stalin would be proud, presumably you were referring to yourself. The people’s vote isn’t even a second referendum it’s about the people voting on the terms of brexit, something never given in the brexit referendum. You seem to want to take the say away from the people. Very undemocratic. Stalin would be proud, for clarity, of you.

 

[Grendel]

I was thinking the same about you. You seem to be saying that we don’t have the right to change our mind, which is as undemocratic as you can get. And then you go and tell someone else that Stalin would be proud, presumably you were referring to yourself. The people’s vote isn’t even a second referendum it’s about the people voting on the terms of brexit, something never given in the brexit referendum. You seem to want to take the say away from the people. Very undemocratic. Stalin would be proud, for clarity, of you.

The terms of Brexit reference is a fop as if it’s rejected we would then remain in the EU.

Perhaps we should do a best of three Tony? What do you think ? Or if the result goes against the established elite again a best of 5?

How about an X Factor type show hosted by Ant and Dec (well one of them anyway)

Actually if it goes wrong a third time how about a toss of the coin but with Junkers head on both sides.

There that should make the correct result.

I know you are not the sharpest tool in the box but even by your own standards this is desperate stuff.

 

[skybluetony176]

The terms of Brexit reference is a fop as if it’s rejected we would then remain in the EU.

Perhaps we should do a best of three Tony? What do you think ? Or if the result goes against the established elite again a best of 5?

How about an X Factor type show hosted by Ant and Dec (well one of them anyway)

Actually if it goes wrong a third time how about a toss of the coin but with Junkers head on both sides.

There that should make the correct result.

I know you are not the sharpest tool in the box but even by your own standards this is desperate stuff.

We should negotiate the best deal we can and then have a referendum on whether that is acceptable or not.

Unlike the last referendum we would be voting on the terms and everyone would know exactly what they’re voting on. I know you’re not the sharpest tool in the box but don’t you think the most democratic thing to do is vote on fact? We could have a referendum understanding that the NHS isn’t getting a gazillion pounds when we leave, WW3 isn’t happening etc etc.

As for best of 3. Currently, if you want to go down that route we have a best of two situation which is a draw. Maybe a third referendum would suit you more than it would me.

Then you just start talking nonsense about X factor and Ant and Dec. Again confirming that you’re not the sharpest tool in the box. Given your lack of actual argument.

 

[Grendel]

We should negotiate the best deal we can and then have a referendum on whether that is acceptable or not.

Unlike the last referendum we would be voting on the terms and everyone would know exactly what they’re voting on. I know you’re not the sharpest tool in the box but don’t you think the most democratic thing to do is vote on fact? We could have a referendum understanding that the NHS isn’t getting a gazillion pounds when we leave, WW3 isn’t happening etc etc.

As for best of 3. Currently, if you want to go down that route we have a best of two situation which is a draw. Maybe a third referendum would suit you more than it would me.

Then you just start talking nonsense about X factor and Ant and Dec. Again confirming that you’re not the sharpest tool in the box. Given your lack of actual argument.

Why did we have a referendum Tony?

 

[skybluetony176]

Why did we have a referendum Tony?

Further confirmation that you’re not the sharpest tool in the box. Can’t argue the points made so asks an irrelevant question to the points being made instead.

 

[Ashdown]

As ever, you distill things in a provocative, simplistic way.

a) This would be the advisory referendum, which did not have to be acted upon. We have not had a referendum on the detail or the result.

b) nobody had any idea of what a deal, or otherwise, would be. Therefore another referendum would be a different question.

c) Democracy involves the ability to have a say on issues. True democracy would be a binding referendum on any deal made, or not

d) Democracy involves the ability to hold to account if it transpires that the platform a result was based upon, was not actually able to be delivered.

e) I repeat, what are you, and anybody else, scared of? If it's such a wonderful thing to leave the EU, and subsequent events have confirmed that, then the result will be even more in favour of leaving. The only reason anybody who wants us to leave would be afraid of another vote is if they fear that actually, the whole leave campaign was a fabrication. Bring it on, get a huge majority for leaving (more than a tokenistic marginal result) and everybody can move on more appropriately.

f) The only anti democrats are those who wish to deny the people a voice. That canm only be due to vested interest.

You know damn well that in the main people who voted to leave did so because they were offered the chance to make a choice and that's what they chose. Most of those voters have carried on with daily life and sat back to watch the absolutely hysterical and petulant actions of the Remoaners who proceeded to just insult their opposition, protest and scream and to promote a confidence in the EU negotiators that if they just block all prospective deals then it will come full circle and come to a re vote until they can get their own way. The negativity over Brexit put out by mainstream media has been laughable and the claims by pro EU politicians that the country would collapse have all been utter poppycock. Many of the Remain voters comprised of affluent, well educated and foreign born residents...............many of the Leave vote were working class people with lower pay rates who considered themselves most undermined by mass migration and it's impact and that being a negative strain on all local and public services, hospitals, schools, transport etc and the big one being the constant availability of plentiful cheap labour repressing wages. The knock on effect, especially to young British people is they struggle to afford the high cost of living in the UK at those pay rates. Even if the youth now couldn't see this dire impact their parents and Grand parents could !

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You know damn well that in the main people who voted to leave did so because they were offered the chance to make a choice and that's what they chose. Most of those voters have carried on with daily life and sat back to watch the absolutely hysterical and petulant actions of the Remoaners who proceeded to just insult their opposition, protest and scream and to promote a confidence in the EU negotiators that if they just block all prospective deals then it will come full circle and come to a re vote until they can get their own way. The negativity over Brexit put out by mainstream media has been laughable and the claims by pro EU politicians that the country would collapse have all been utter poppycock. Many of the Remain voters comprised of affluent, well educated and foreign born residents...............many of the Leave vote were working class people with lower pay rates who considered themselves most undermined by mass migration and it's impact and that being a negative strain on all local and public services, hospitals, schools, transport etc and the big one being the constant availability of plentiful cheap labour repressing wages. The knock on effect, especially to young British people is they struggle to afford the high cost of living in the UK at those pay rates. Even if the youth now couldn't see this dire impact their parents and Grand parents could !

Shrivelked up bollocks. Would expect nothing else.

 

[Ashdown]

Living wage failing to cover basic needs of families, charity warns

What was that NW ? I'd expect nothing else from you either you gutless twat !

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Living wage failing to cover basic needs of families, charity warns

What was that NW ? I'd expect nothing else from you either you gutless twat !

Better a gutless twat than a clueless moronic dick

Your link has fuck all to do with your bigoted diatribe.

 

[Ashdown]

You're the first person to resort to insults these days when opposed, you used to be better than that, just a gobshite mouthy coward now !

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You're the first person to resort to insults these days when opposed, you used to be better than that, just a gobshite mouthy coward now !

Years you've been nothing but a clueless buffoon. You're a laughable excuse.

And, it seems, a snowflake who wants to dish it out and spread nonsense about people, but can't handle it when people point out the truth of you.

 

[clint van damme]

You know damn well that in the main people who voted to leave did so because they were offered the chance to make a choice and that's what they chose - that sentence applies to voting in anything from a general election to a talent show!

Most of those voters have carried on with daily life and sat back to watch the absolutely hysterical and petulant actions of the Remoaners who proceeded to just insult their opposition - you moan about remain voters using insults in the same sentence that you've used the term remoaner.

The negativity over Brexit put out by mainstream media - Utter tripe. At least 3 of the main daily newspapers support Brexit and Farage has been on question time more than any other person even though he's not even an elected MP.

has been laughable and the claims by pro EU politicians that the country would collapse have all been utter poppycock - we haven't left yet.

Many of the Remain voters comprised of affluent, well educated and foreign born residents - think this part of your post is the only part that bares any resemblance to fact.

I am still convinced Brexit will be a disaster and haven't seen any evidence to the contrary but I still don't support a 2nd referendum so that's another one of your sweeping generalisations out the window.

 

[clint van damme]

Living wage failing to cover basic needs of families, charity warns

What was that NW ? I'd expect nothing else from you either you gutless twat !

so why will that change post Brexit?

 

[skybluetony176]

Interesting article. Seems a no deal scenario could be better for the EU than us. Certainly for the financial sector anyway.

EU27 expected to keep City of London access after no-deal Brexit, says leading law firm

 

[SkyblueBazza]

We should negotiate the best deal we can and then have a referendum on whether that is acceptable or not.

Unlike the last referendum we would be voting on the terms and everyone would know exactly what they’re voting on. I know you’re not the sharpest tool in the box but don’t you think the most democratic thing to do is vote on fact? We could have a referendum understanding that the NHS isn’t getting a gazillion pounds when we leave, WW3 isn’t happening etc etc.

As for best of 3. Currently, if you want to go down that route we have a best of two situation which is a draw. Maybe a third referendum would suit you more than it would me.

Then you just start talking nonsense about X factor and Ant and Dec. Again confirming that you’re not the sharpest tool in the box. Given your lack of actual argument.

What like having a job on a £10k salary & no benefits...but then negotiate the best deal you can (£12k, plus pension & health insurance maybe - but not the £12.5k you wanted) at the annual review. Only to then tell them the new deal isn't what you wanted so you will carry on at £10k & no benefits instead?

That'll work I'm sure.

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