The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (34 Viewers)

[SkyblueBazza]

I wouldn't need to if you answered me, you just keep churning out empty rhetoric. Re read your posts for proof.

I'll start you off - Clint, you're wrong about the negative effects of trading under WTO rules in the event of a no deal, it will actually be of benefit because..........over to you Baz.

It appears I have started you off. Regurgitate the same arguments all you like.

I will sit and watch it all unfold & clearly have more faith in the suits making stuff happen than you.

This could roll for another 5-10yrs before we see clear benefits. The benefits WILL be found and become clear. We have some pretty good entrepeneurs in this nation - they will adapt and we will will all follow suit & prosper. That is my opinion. Mart in particular has tried saying all you have said before now...go have a love-in with him & Tony &/or SickBoy. I assure you that from your collective perspective - I am a lost cause.

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[martcov]

It appears I have started you off. Regurgitate the same arguments all you like.

I will sit and watch it all unfold & clearly have more faith in the suits making stuff happen than you.

This could roll for another 5-10yrs before we see clear benefits. The benefits WILL be found and become clear. We have some pretty good entrepeneurs in this nation - they will adapt and we will will all follow suit & prosper. That is my opinion. Mart in particular has tried saying all you have said before now...go have a love-in with him & Tony &/or SickBoy. I assure you that from your collective perspective - I am a lost cause.

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So, there are no tangible benefits to Brexit? But you have faith and hope? Great. I’ll stick to remain.

 

[skybluetony176]

Just watching the news and chequers is dead in the water. The unsolvable riddle continues. Who’d have thought Danny Dyer would be correct.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Just watching the news and chequers is dead in the water. The unsolvable riddle continues. Who’d have thought Danny Dyer would be correct.

Rhetoric does NOT = 'Dead in the water'

Your comment simply demonstrates that ypu are desperate for the UK to fare badly to avoid a face full of egg!

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[martcov]

Rhetoric does NOT = 'Dead in the water'

Your comment simply demonstrates that ypu are desperate for the UK to fare badly to avoid a face full of egg!

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Macron said what we all knew. The people who pushed leave are liars and that is proved by them doing a runner after the vote. Also 27 countries are united in their rejection of May‘s plan. And they want the people of the UK, who are still EU citizens, to have a vote on any final deal. Who doesn’t want the people to have the final say? EU or UK?

 

[Grendel]

Well well even that snivelling europhile Grant Schapps has said its time the Uk told the EU to tell them to stuff off and refuse to hand over £39 billion.

Corbyn equally will behind closed doors celebrating with John McDonnell at the prospect of a lifelong ambition coming to fruition

 

[Grendel]

Macron said what we all knew. The people who pushed leave are liars and that is proved by them doing a runner after the vote. Also 27 countries are united in their rejection of May‘s plan. And they want the people of the UK, who are still EU citizens, to have a vote on any final deal. Who doesn’t want the people to have the final say? EU or UK?

I’m amazed Macron can show his face let alone accuse anyone else of lying. Has his “bodyguard” pretended to be a policeman and beat up any protesters today?

 

[martcov]

I’m amazed Macron can show his face let alone accuse anyone else of lying. Has his “bodyguard” pretended to be a policeman and beat up any protesters today?

What are you on about? Is he right? Yes he is. Good on him. About time these tossers were called out for the Brexit chaos. Now what has his bodyguard got to do with the total rejection by 27 countries of May‘s plan? And why doesn’t May want to ask the public if they are happy with any Brexit deal? Brexit is dead. Only remains to see how the government gets out of this embarrassing mess.

 

[martcov]

I’m amazed Macron can show his face let alone accuse anyone else of lying. Has his “bodyguard” pretended to be a policeman and beat up any protesters today?

And when are you going to comment on the pro Orban Conservative voters? You were quick enough to criticise Labour.

 

[Evo1883]

Macron said what we all knew. The people who pushed leave are liars and that is proved by them doing a runner after the vote. Also 27 countries are united in their rejection of May‘s plan. And they want the people of the UK, who are still EU citizens, to have a vote on any final deal. Who doesn’t want the people to have the final say? EU or UK?

I don’t think the vast majority of Brit’s give a flying fuck what Macron thinks we should do
Better yet the leaders of little countries that are being propped up by the EU like Lithuania .
Why would I care what Lithuania think

 

[Grendel]

What are you on about? Is he right? Yes he is. Good on him. About time these tossers were called out for the Brexit chaos. Now what has his bodyguard got to do with the total rejection by 27 countries of May‘s plan? And why doesn’t May want to ask the public if they are happy with any Brexit deal? Brexit is dead. Only remains to see how the government gets out of this embarrassing mess.

Hasn’t the French Semate launched an unprecedented investigation into the way the presidential palace operates its finances?

I believe Benalla is being questioned by the senate committee this week. He has been alleged to have been given special favours and privileges by Macron and it is alleged Macron knew about the assault and the illegal act of impersonatong a police officer and did not report this to the authorities. Instead he sent Benalla on extended leave.

So I’m sorry but a man under investigation by his own government for alleged wrongdoing on such a scale is hardly in a position to lecture anyone is he?

Benalla is being charged on these offences. Macron despite no evidence or suggestion of such then says he is not having a gay relationship with Benalla.

Is this sort of news not published in Euroland?

 

[Evo1883]

From an article I have just read

How will the EU fill the funding shortfall after Britain leaves?
As talks begin about the next seven-year budget, due to come into effect in 2021, it is clear that the EU is facing a huge funding shortfall of up to €15 billion a year when Britain leaves the bloc.

The European Commission has vowed that it will not rely on debt to finance EU spending, “meaning that every euro has to be found from existing or new revenue streams”,

This week the EU’s Budget Commissioner Guenther Oettinger said this means the EU will have to cut spending “moderately but notably at almost all our programs,” to deal with the gap that net contributor Britain leaves after its departure.

Complicating matters is a pledge by the Commission to find another €10 billion (£8.85 billion) a year for EU programmes on defence, migration and the EU’s border agency, meaning that despite Brexit, the total amount of money spent on the next budget could be even higher than the current one.


Won’t miss us one bit lol

 

[Grendel]

From an article I have just read

How will the EU fill the funding shortfall after Britain leaves?
As talks begin about the next seven-year budget, due to come into effect in 2021, it is clear that the EU is facing a huge funding shortfall of up to €15 billion a year when Britain leaves the bloc.

The European Commission has vowed that it will not rely on debt to finance EU spending, “meaning that every euro has to be found from existing or new revenue streams”,

This week the EU’s Budget Commissioner Guenther Oettinger said this means the EU will have to cut spending “moderately but notably at almost all our programs,” to deal with the gap that net contributor Britain leaves after its departure.

Complicating matters is a pledge by the Commission to find another €10 billion (£8.85 billion) a year for EU programmes on defence, migration and the EU’s border agency, meaning that despite Brexit, the total amount of money spent on the next budget could be even higher than the current one.


Won’t miss us one bit lol

Ah yes the interesting Herr Oettinger - a true face of EU liberal thought

Strange career of Günther Oettinger

 

[martcov]

I don’t think the vast majority of Brit’s give a flying fuck what Macron thinks we should do
Better yet the leaders of little countries that are being propped up by the EU like Lithuania .
Why would I care what Lithuania think

Because they can veto any deal the UK may want? I thought Brexit was about taking back control? Now e.g. Lithuania, or Ireland ( after 800 years of being led by the UK ) can decide if the UK gets a deal or not.

 

[Grendel]

Because they can veto any deal the UK may want? I thought Brexit was about taking back control? Now e.g. Lithuania, or Ireland ( after 800 years of being led by the UK ) can decide if the UK gets a deal or not.

That is comedy gold. If ever there was an argument for leaving you’ve just nailed it. Well done Mart.

 

[martcov]

Hasn’t the French Semate launched an unprecedented investigation into the way the presidential palace operates its finances?

I believe Benalla is being questioned by the senate committee this week. He has been alleged to have been given special favours and privileges by Macron and it is alleged Macron knew about the assault and the illegal act of impersonatong a police officer and did not report this to the authorities. Instead he sent Benalla on extended leave.

So I’m sorry but a man under investigation by his own government for alleged wrongdoing on such a scale is hardly in a position to lecture anyone is he?

Benalla is being charged on these offences. Macron despite no evidence or suggestion of such then says he is not having a gay relationship with Benalla.

Is this sort of news not published in Euroland?

I am more interested in the effects of Brexit than on Macron‘s internal problems. Not relevant to what he said.

 

[martcov]

That is comedy gold. If ever there was an argument for leaving you’ve just nailed it. Well done Mart.

Good then you will be pleased that we have now to cowtow to fascists and small countries on the way out.

 

[Grendel]

I am more interested in the effects of Brexit than on Macron‘s internal problems. Not relevant to what he said.

Not relevant? If these allegations are true Macron will show himself to be more of a dishonest and corrupt figure than any other in modern French political history

But as long as he is in your gang he’s ok.

Well I admire your honesty but your morality is clearly in the gutter

 

[martcov]

From an article I have just read

How will the EU fill the funding shortfall after Britain leaves?
As talks begin about the next seven-year budget, due to come into effect in 2021, it is clear that the EU is facing a huge funding shortfall of up to €15 billion a year when Britain leaves the bloc.

The European Commission has vowed that it will not rely on debt to finance EU spending, “meaning that every euro has to be found from existing or new revenue streams”,

This week the EU’s Budget Commissioner Guenther Oettinger said this means the EU will have to cut spending “moderately but notably at almost all our programs,” to deal with the gap that net contributor Britain leaves after its departure.

Complicating matters is a pledge by the Commission to find another €10 billion (£8.85 billion) a year for EU programmes on defence, migration and the EU’s border agency, meaning that despite Brexit, the total amount of money spent on the next budget could be even higher than the current one.


Won’t miss us one bit lol

No. They are also talking about internet taxes on firms like Amazon. I shouldn’t worry about the EU if I were you. The UK hasn’t got a deal yet.

 

[martcov]

Not relevant? If these allegations are true Macron will show himself to be more of a dishonest and corrupt figure than any other in modern French political history

But as long as he is in your gang he’s ok.

Well I admire your honesty but your morality is clearly in the gutter

Haha. When are you going to condemn the Conservative MEPs for voting against sanctioning an anti semite fascist?

 

[martcov]

Ah yes the interesting Herr Oettinger - a true face of EU liberal thought

Strange career of Günther Oettinger

Obviously he isn’t. He is a conservative. There enough of those in the UK if you are trying to make the EU look uniquely pro business.

 

[Sick Boy]

Not relevant? If these allegations are true Macron will show himself to be more of a dishonest and corrupt figure than any other in modern French political history

But as long as he is in your gang he’s ok.

Well I admire your honesty but your morality is clearly in the gutter

Politicians across the political spectrum are just as dishonest.

 

[Evo1883]

Because they can veto any deal the UK may want? I thought Brexit was about taking back control? Now e.g. Lithuania, or Ireland ( after 800 years of being led by the UK ) can decide if the UK gets a deal or not.

Atleast try harder to hide your anti British sentiments lol

 

[Astute]

There was a bit on the news about it last night. 7% of all trade from within the EU was the conclusion IIRC. The EU trades more with individual countries outside the EU who there isn’t a free trade agreement with. Which begs the question has the importance of leaving the EU to have free trade agreements been oversold?

How about the trade we do with the rest of the world considering that we are not allowed to make trade deals until we leave?

As usual you only put one side to it.

 

[Astute]

I wouldn't need to if you answered me, you just keep churning out empty rhetoric. Re read your posts for proof.

I'll start you off - Clint, you're wrong about the negative effects of trading under WTO rules in the event of a no deal, it will actually be of benefit because..........over to you Baz.

How about explaining why we would need to go to WTO rules?

Why would it be so difficult to have a free trade deal with countries in the EU?

The benefits would be no job losses on either side. EU countries would benefit more than us. No chance of docks and terminals being blocked on both sides although it only ever gets mentioned on our side. And you have the rest of the crap that would be solved like Ireland.

One answer. They want us to pay billions each year to have a free trade deal.

So how could we have a competitive edge on the EU on a free trade deal when we buy about twice the amount than we sell to it?

You are right on one thing you constantly say. Most people didn't know what was involved in a leave vote. If we had voted remain I would have been happy. And I would still have been blind to how the EU runs. They don't want what is best for the people of the EU. They want what is best for them. If not they would have got around a table to negotiate instead of continually saying nothing is good enough.

So what happens if we go to WTO rules? We won't pay the divorce bill that has no legal standing in law. Companies will have to pay tax on what we sell to the EU. But our government will collect twice the amount. We will buy more cars made here instead of from Germany. Countries that depend on selling to us will be in trouble. They will need more bailouts. And we won't be paying it. This is on top of the money we won't be handing over as we do now.

So Germany will have to pay billions more after major job losses.

Yeah. All sweet in the EU.

 

[Astute]

Macron said what we all knew. The people who pushed leave are liars and that is proved by them doing a runner after the vote. Also 27 countries are united in their rejection of May‘s plan. And they want the people of the UK, who are still EU citizens, to have a vote on any final deal. Who doesn’t want the people to have the final say? EU or UK?

What happened after the leave vote? Where did Cameron go? Maybe he is looking for the thousands of gravestones he mentioned.

 

[Astute]

I am more interested in the effects of Brexit than on Macron‘s internal problems. Not relevant to what he said.

As usual you mention those in the EU when they speak against us. But as soon as they are shown to be dishonest in any way you are not interested in their dishonesty. But as soon as anyone from the UK is shown to be dishonest in any way you want to get to the bottom of it and have them prosecuted.

 

[Astute]

And back to an old subject.

Brexit vote watchdog 'got law wrong'

So both sides overspent. Remain had to stop spending. But the electoral commission said everything was OK with leave. But they got it wrong.

I suppose the high court is wrong now.

 

[martcov]

As usual you mention those in the EU when they speak against us. But as soon as they are shown to be dishonest in any way you are not interested in their dishonesty. But as soon as anyone from the UK is shown to be dishonest in any way you want to get to the bottom of it and have them prosecuted.

No. Grendel tried to deflect on to Macron‘s honesty or dishonesty. I was talking about what he actually said about Brexit. If I criticise people like Banks, Wigmore and Farage, it is because they are the culprits ( bad boys ) of leave. Macron was not involved in leave, but has every right to criticise an act which makes problems for his country. Saying he has other problems doesn’t alter the facts that he is mentioning in this case. Are you saying that what he said is not true?

 

[martcov]

And back to an old subject.

Brexit vote watchdog 'got law wrong'

So both sides overspent. Remain had to stop spending. But the electoral commission said everything was OK with leave. But they got it wrong.

I suppose the high court is wrong now.

That doesn’t get leave off the hook. Nice try. How much did they say remain overspent as opposed to leave?

 

[martcov]

What happened after the leave vote? Where did Cameron go? Maybe he is looking for the thousands of gravestones he mentioned.

The bad boys all did a runner. You know that you are talking crap about grave stones. What is relevant, is where is Brexit and what are the advantages of the mess we are in? What does our manufacturing industry think of the mess so far? Or our hauliers, banking industry, food industry, Pharma industry?

 

[martcov]

How about explaining why we would need to go to WTO rules?

Why would it be so difficult to have a free trade deal with countries in the EU?

The benefits would be no job losses on either side. EU countries would benefit more than us. No chance of docks and terminals being blocked on both sides although it only ever gets mentioned on our side. And you have the rest of the crap that would be solved like Ireland.

One answer. They want us to pay billions each year to have a free trade deal.

So how could we have a competitive edge on the EU on a free trade deal when we buy about twice the amount than we sell to it?

You are right on one thing you constantly say. Most people didn't know what was involved in a leave vote. If we had voted remain I would have been happy. And I would still have been blind to how the EU runs. They don't want what is best for the people of the EU. They want what is best for them. If not they would have got around a table to negotiate instead of continually saying nothing is good enough.

So what happens if we go to WTO rules? We won't pay the divorce bill that has no legal standing in law. Companies will have to pay tax on what we sell to the EU. But our government will collect twice the amount. We will buy more cars made here instead of from Germany. Countries that depend on selling to us will be in trouble. They will need more bailouts. And we won't be paying it. This is on top of the money we won't be handing over as we do now.

So Germany will have to pay billions more after major job losses.

Yeah. All sweet in the EU.

27 countries representing 440 million think you are talking crap. We will pay the divorce bill. We signed up for it and will honour it.

You seem to think that they are separate to the EU. They were all there at a summit, all say our ideas are crap. And that after two years time to prepare for Brexit. The Brexit culprits are not even there, apart from Gove, who says any deal struck can be altered by the next government anyway. Pointless having a deal with the UK if you know it is not done in good faith. No wonder 27 countries are not happy with us.

Consumers will pay tax on imported goods and/or companies will reduce their profit margins. No one wins and 27 countries are pissed off with our attitude. They are not going to wreck the single market and do away with the 4 freedoms because you want them to.

The UK will continue to be hit with the results of uncertainty. The economy will start to reflect that if we don’t get a deal. And you blame the people who didn’t want Brexit.

 

[martcov]

As usual you mention those in the EU when they speak against us.

Who is us BTW? He spoke out against liars who misled people, not the people of the UK. Are you a liar trying to mislead people? Why should you count yourself as part of „us“ otherwise? Does it hurt being called a liar by a president representing millions?

 

[skybluetony176]

The bad boys all did a runner. You know that you are talking crap about grave stones. What is relevant, is where is Brexit and what are the advantages of the mess we are in? What does our manufacturing industry think of the mess so far? Or our hauliers, banking industry, food industry, Pharma industry?

It’s OK. Rees Mogg has pointed out that Australian wine is going to go down by 30% (believe that when I see it. Maybe at the border but that doesn’t guarantee it will be passed onto the consumer) so it’s going to be cheaper to drown our sorrows.

 

[skybluetony176]

27 countries representing 440 million think you are talking crap. We will pay the divorce bill. We signed up for it and will honour it.

You seem to think that they are separate to the EU. They were all there at a summit, all say our ideas are crap. And that after two years time to prepare for Brexit. The Brexit culprits are not even there, apart from Gove, who says any deal struck can be altered by the next government anyway. Pointless having a deal with the UK if you know it is not done in good faith. No wonder 27 countries are not happy with us.

Consumers will pay tax on imported goods and/or companies will reduce their profit margins. No one wins and 27 countries are pissed off with our attitude. They are not going to wreck the single market and do away with the 4 freedoms because you want them to.

The UK will continue to be hit with the results of uncertainty. The economy will start to reflect that if we don’t get a deal. And you blame the people who didn’t want Brexit.

It’s all faux outrage again. The leave campaign spent most it’s time saying that the EU is a protectionist organisation (ironically one of the few truths they told) and this is why we must leave. Now we’re leaving and the EU is acting to protect itself it’s all shock, horror and anger about the protectionist way it’s behaving. Did they not believe their own campaign? Maybe they just can’t remember which bits were true and which bits weren’t?