The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (254 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

'Self interest of the country'???

I am on about Corbyn's self interest. All he is looking for is an opportunity to seize power when the time is right. He has no real desire to do what is right for me or you.

My take on crossing off Labour as a potential vote is precisely based upon that single-minded opportunism. Even Boris was laying things out from the perspective of what is right for the nation & not quite blatantly for Boris.

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Yes that would be why he wrote articles for and against Brexit before deciding which side to join.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Now it'll really get interesting...I expect Corbyn only has an eye on power and would put his chances of getting in above anything else. Not that he'd reverse Brexit, but I think he will push for the collapse of May and the government.

Why would the Leader of the Opposition be concentrating on anything other than getting his party into government?

 

[Grendel]

Why would the Leader of the Opposition be concentrating on anything other than getting his party into government?

Well he has a choice

Vote with the government on freedom of movement and a customs union or against it.

Or show his true colours and admit he shares the identical vision for the uk with Europe as Reece Mogg

Can’t see that attracted many of his youth vote - do you?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well he has a choice

Vote with the government on freedom of movement and a customs union or against it.

Or show his true colours and admit he shares the identical vision for the uk with Europe as Reece Mogg

Can’t see that attracted many of his youth vote - do you?

Whatever gets this shit show finished with the least hassle. Then we can get back to domestic policy and removing this God awful party from office.

 

[Grendel]

Yes that would be why he wrote articles for and against Brexit before deciding which side to join.

Who Corbyn? Lol he’s voted against Europe at every opportunity

He’s a socialist - all true left wing people find the conceit of Europe repulsive

Funny that you actuality have far more more in common with the dribbling europhile May than the socialist ideologist Corbyn

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Who Corbyn? Lol he’s voted against Europe at every opportunity

He’s a socialist - all true left wing people find the conceit of Europe repulsive

Funny that you actuality have far more more in common with the dribbling europhile May than the socialist ideologist Corbyn

BoJo wrote the articles...as far as I'm concerned there's already too many countries in the world and people taking pride in things they haven't done. For what it's worth-let's have a few more Scandinavian/Central European policies and slightly fewer American ones.

An irrelevance in any case as your generation has fucked the planet to a near irreparable extent.

 

[Astute]

An irrelevance in any case as your generation has fucked the planet to a near irreparable extent.

Are you blaming an older generation than yourself for everything?

Is it the man who invented the car, the man who bought a car that will do or is it the younger ones these days that seems to like a car much bigger than they need?

Is it older people that make do or is it younger people that must have the latest thing and discard the old items.

Is it the older generations that had well made clothes that lasted years or the younger ones that pay cheap for disposable clothes that are transported around the world.

Is it those who spent just about every holiday in the UK or those who fly all over the world?

Wind power is great for the environment unless you consider the places that are left totally polluted because of the materials needed.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Are you blaming an older generation than yourself for everything?

Is it the man who invented the car, the man who bought a car that will do or is it the younger ones these days that seems to like a car much bigger than they need?

Is it older people that make do or is it younger people that must have the latest thing and discard the old items.

Is it the older generations that had well made clothes that lasted years or the younger ones that pay cheap for disposable clothes that are transported around the world.

Is it those who spent just about every holiday in the UK or those who fly all over the world?

Wind power is great for the environment unless you consider the places that are left totally polluted because of the materials needed.

Of course not for everything. But let's be clear, my generation will be the first to be worse off than the one before. Crashing the world economy, wrecking the climate and failed wars all over the place are what we're inheriting. We can add Brexit to the list too. The generation before decides they are worthy of free higher education but the one after must pay 4 or even 5 figure sums for degrees worth a fraction of what they once were.

The young of today can make some changes but the damage is nearly irreversible when it comes to the climate. Particularly when the Yankee doodles have a man in charge who thinks it's a hoax.

 

[dutchman]

So in principal the two sides have agreed a deal.

It'll be yet another fudge with all those pesky details such as the Irish border and customs union left unresolved and to be decided at some unspecified date in the future.

 

[martcov]

I read something today on there not being any visas needed for UK citizens visiting the continent after Brexit. Is that true?

Been mad busy with work and I've been trying to stay away anyway really. Just curious on this one as it was one of the things we were being told to be worried about.

For short term stays up to 90 days.

 

[martcov]

Ha ha anyone who thinks the democrats has a good night is an utter moron

Democrat did see midterms 'blue wave' as late results reveal party's best results since 1974

 

[skybluetony176]

That is because the result said leave. A customs union isn't leave. And May said she is in charge of leaving.

Says who? It’s empty rhetoric to claim that a customs union isn’t leave. The question was on or out and it is possible to be out and still have a customs union. The Norway option is a customs union, the Canada option is a customs union. Rees-Mogg and clan don’t want you to believe it but a cross party majority believe it. May backed herself into a corner with all her “populist” leave means leave bullshit (which as the last election shown wasn’t as popular as she gambled on it being) and she’ll end up paying the price for bad politics and rhetoric.

 

[skybluetony176]

I note that articles are starting to appear in the news this morning claiming that the deal that has been struck does indeed include a customs union. If that’s true then it would explain the individual meetings with her cabinet yesterday ahead of a full cabinet meeting today. Wouldn’t be surprised if we see some more resignations. Interestingly though this turn of events could not only save brexit but also save her job.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Sterling surges on Brexit news and the customs union is set to stay

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Yes that would be why he wrote articles for and against Brexit before deciding which side to join.

And joined the side that is most likely to bring about a General Election. He considered the options, certainly he did that - & chose the option most likely to depose the existing Government.

That said, many in the Tory party are following the same self-interest agenda too.

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[Astute]

Of course not for everything. But let's be clear, my generation will be the first to be worse off than the one before. Crashing the world economy, wrecking the climate and failed wars all over the place are what we're inheriting. We can add Brexit to the list too. The generation before decides they are worthy of free higher education but the one after must pay 4 or even 5 figure sums for degrees worth a fraction of what they once were.

The young of today can make some changes but the damage is nearly irreversible when it comes to the climate. Particularly when the Yankee doodles have a man in charge who thinks it's a hoax.

Free higher education? Most of us couldn't afford to take up free education. It was only for those with rich or very well off parents. You were self funded. These days you have many taking courses that don't give qualifications that will do any good. Then they complain they have debt for nothing. I couldn't afford higher education after finishing school. I had to work and study at the same time.

Your generation moans about high house prices. But then want a big reason of it to continue.

Crashing the world economy? Which one was that? It happens about every 18 years. It happened when I was a kid. Interest rates of 15%. It happened 10 years ago. And it will continue to happen.

Climate change? Has been going on for hundreds of years if you blame pollution for everything. But these days everyone wants a car. Everyone wants more goods. The generations you blame hardly had anything.

 

[Astute]

Says who? It’s empty rhetoric to claim that a customs union isn’t leave. The question was on or out and it is possible to be out and still have a customs union. The Norway option is a customs union, the Canada option is a customs union. Rees-Mogg and clan don’t want you to believe it but a cross party majority believe it. May backed herself into a corner with all her “populist” leave means leave bullshit (which as the last election shown wasn’t as popular as she gambled on it being) and she’ll end up paying the price for bad politics and rhetoric.

So you agree with me then that being in the customs union isn't in or out without knowing the details. Look back. I mentioned Norway before you did.

So what are the details of being in the customs union? We would still be tied to EU rules and regulations. That is without a doubt. How much money would they want off us each year?

To many this is unacceptable. This is many from all political parties and the man on the street. Yet it would have to get through parliament. You should be all for it because you wanted any decision to be decided by those not involved in the negotiations.

 

[Astute]

I note that articles are starting to appear in the news this morning claiming that the deal that has been struck does indeed include a customs union. If that’s true then it would explain the individual meetings with her cabinet yesterday ahead of a full cabinet meeting today. Wouldn’t be surprised if we see some more resignations. Interestingly though this turn of events could not only save brexit but also save her job.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Sterling surges on Brexit news and the customs union is set to stay

But would they be able to get it through?

 

[skybluetony176]

But would they be able to get it through?

It’s labour policy so labour should back it, it doesn’t mean a two tier brexit one for Northern Ireland and one for the rest of the U.K. so the DUP should back it, plenty of Tories back it, even a Lib Dem MP on question time a couple of weeks ago reluctantly backed it because it has cross party consensus. If it has cross party consensus and it’s the oppositions policy it seems far more likely to get through than any other type of Brexit you care to mention.

If the rumours that are starting to circulate are true regarding the deal we’ll know soon enough. Then the question will be why did it have to take so long to get to this point if that was always the consensus in our sovereign, democratically appointed parliament. You could argue that the government try to go rogue on brexit.

 

[martcov]

It’s labour policy so labour should back it, it doesn’t mean a two tier brexit one for Northern Ireland and one for the rest of the U.K. so the DUP should back it, plenty of Tories back it, even a Lib Dem MP on question time a couple of weeks ago reluctantly backed it because it has cross party consensus. If it has cross party consensus and it’s the oppositions policy it seems far more likely to get through than any other type of Brexit you care to mention.

If the rumours that are starting to circulate are true regarding the deal we’ll know soon enough. Then the question will be why did it have to take so long to get to this point if that was always the consensus in our sovereign, democratically appointed parliament. You could argue that the government try to go rogue on brexit.

Next question. If we are going to pay to be in the customs union and have to accept EU rules and rulings, why don’t we just cancel article 50, get back in, have a say via our veto on things like an EU army or fiscal union from within the EU? This avoids at least short term pain, and depending on how things evolve ( with our contribution), maybe puts us in a more secure long term position.

 

[skybluetony176]

Whatever the details of the deal is apparently the DUP don’t back it. Were the rumours about a permanent customs union just that? Still plenty of twists and turns on this yet by the looks of it. Supposedly once the 2 o’clock cabinet meeting is over the EU are going to release two documents, one on the agreement and one on our future relationship so we should know the details by the end of the day.

 

[Sick Boy]

That is the Norway version.

Yeah I know and it was one touted by Farage and other Leavers as being a viable option ahead of the referendum.

 

[skybluetony176]

Yeah I know and it was one touted by Farage and other Leavers as being a viable option ahead of the referendum.

In case anyone is interested here’s a link to the petition. One Market, millions of jobs: sign the petition

Still might not be too late to sign.

 

[fernandopartridge]

In case anyone is interested here’s a link to the petition. One Market, millions of jobs: sign the petition

Still might not be too late to sign.

The reality is that many people just do not believe that Open Britain, a campaign backed by people like Peter Mandelson really cares about them.

 

[skybluetony176]

The reality is that many people just do not believe that Open Britain, a campaign backed by people like Peter Mandelson really cares about them.

I would hope that most people are more intelligent than allowing that to be their deciding factor. It’s pretty simple, if you want the U.K. to remain in the single market sign the petition. Doesn’t have to be anymore complicated than that really.

 

[Ashdown]

The Pound is rising, Employment is at record levels, wages are rising, our economy is performing better than Germany, immigration to the UK is falling in numbers and our population will consequently stop growing at an alarming and environmentally destructive rate, pollution will come under control with better vehicles and less fossil fuel based energy, pressures will ease eventually on the infrastructure and less houses/hospitals/schools will have to be built. Water resources will be under less threat and less wildlife shall be destroyed to feed the all consuming needs of more people.
I do hope we are not going to let 10 MP's in Ireland scupper everything !!

 

[clint van damme]

The Pound is rising, Employment is at record levels, wages are rising, our economy is performing better than Germany, immigration to the UK is falling in numbers and our population will consequently stop growing at an alarming and environmentally destructive rate, pollution will come under control with better vehicles and less fossil fuel based energy, pressures will ease eventually on the infrastructure and less houses/hospitals/schools will have to be built. Water resources will be under less threat and less wildlife shall be destroyed to feed the all consuming needs of more people.
I do hope we are not going to let 10 MP's in Ireland scupper everything !!

of course they are, we'll be fucked if we leave without a deal and we'll have bunged the DUP 1 billion for the privilege of letting them scupper any potential deal.

 

[skybluetony176]

UK closer to delivering Brexit, says May

Doesn’t sound like this deal is being received well in any quarters. We haven’t even had the cabinet meeting yet.

 

[Ashdown]

of course they are, we'll be fucked if we leave without a deal and we'll have bunged the DUP 1 billion for the privilege of letting them scupper any potential deal.

But 1 Billion to N Ireland in extra funding from a government budget of circa £800 billion is well worth it, the money boosts infrastructure, job creation, health and prosperity......and prosperity is what helps keep the peace !

 

[skybluetony176]

But 1 Billion to N Ireland in extra funding from a government budget of circa £800 billion is well worth it, the money boosts infrastructure, job creation, health and prosperity......and prosperity is what helps keep the peace !

Mmmm. You’re talking about the DUP though who spanked £500M on the cash for ash scandal that currently means that the Northern Ireland Assembly is suspended. The DUP are also anti peace process.

 

[clint van damme]

But 1 Billion to N Ireland in extra funding from a government budget of circa £800 billion is well worth it, the money boosts infrastructure, job creation, health and prosperity......and prosperity is what helps keep the peace !

you know damn well that that money was given to them for one reason and one reason only, I ca n guarantee you the welfare of the province didn't cross Mays mind when she was signing that cheque. .

 

[skybluetony176]

Two resignations according to rumours. Scottish Tories also set to vote against it over fishing. Sounding like the deal is dead in the water.

 

[martcov]

The Pound is rising, Employment is at record levels, wages are rising, our economy is performing better than Germany, immigration to the UK is falling in numbers and our population will consequently stop growing at an alarming and environmentally destructive rate, pollution will come under control with better vehicles and less fossil fuel based energy, pressures will ease eventually on the infrastructure and less houses/hospitals/schools will have to be built. Water resources will be under less threat and less wildlife shall be destroyed to feed the all consuming needs of more people.
I do hope we are not going to let 10 MP's in Ireland scupper everything !!

The pound is rising because it looks like we may have a deal. Wait until we see what comes out. It is good that wages are at last rising. EU immigration has fallen by 100000 as people are finding jobs elsewhere or in their home country. The effect of 100000 leaving will not solve all the UK problems, as EU migration of well over 2 million did not cause the UK‘s problem of some regions and people being left behind economically. If you think we will need less hospitals and carers when the baby boomer bulge starts kicking in, as these people will need careing for in old age, then you are being naive. It will be good when the Electric buses start being used instead of Diesel. Mercedes are Running them out now. They cost at twice as much as conventional buses, but save money over time. The DUP are only interested in their base of approximately 28% ( according to polls ) of a low population province.

 

[Astute]

Yeah I know and it was one touted by Farage and other Leavers as being a viable option ahead of the referendum.

I'm not saying that it isn't a viable option. As you may have noticed I have mentioned it countless times. And I got shouted down for coming out with such rubbish. The EU doesn't need us and all that crap. I have said all along that I could see there being some sort of trade deal agreement. But I expected it to be a last minute thing. The EU wanted to try their best to keep us in. That doesn't look far off either.

A lot of what I say isn't of my beliefs. Just like many being unhappy with still being in a customs union. I'm not unhappy. But many will be. They will include politicians and the man on the street. Some are already complaining. There are people that complain about everything but don't have a better idea on going forward. There are people that think they know everything but are clueless. I won't be celebrating any sort of deal until it is finalised and signed off permanently.

 

[Captain Dart]

European Amy was never going to happen...

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Wait a minute!

 

[Ashdown]

The pound is rising because it looks like we may have a deal. Wait until we see what comes out. It is good that wages are at last rising. EU immigration has fallen by 100000 as people are finding jobs elsewhere or in their home country. The effect of 100000 leaving will not solve all the UK problems, as EU migration of well over 2 million did not cause the UK‘s problem of some regions and people being left behind economically. If you think we will need less hospitals and carers when the baby boomer bulge starts kicking in, as these people will need careing for in old age, then you are being naive. It will be good when the Electric buses start being used instead of Diesel. Mercedes are Running them out now. They cost at twice as much as conventional buses, but save money over time. The DUP are only interested in their base of approximately 28% ( according to polls ) of a low population province.

It is completely unsustainable for the UK to continue to take 250,000 people a year from wherever. Hopefully a control on EU migration will be followed by a stricter points based policy on all incomers apart from perhaps a quota of the most desperate genuine refugees.