The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (75 Viewers)

[Astute]

He never said 64% would vote leave. 64% would back a fresh referendum according to what he highlighted. 46% would back leave in a referendum.

Bollocks

 

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[martcov]

Bollocks

64:36 if May’s Plan were voted down.

That’s what was reported. Read it yourself.

 

[Astute]

You're entitled to that opinion, but it seems more and more people think it's a good idea -- 54% of those polled would be 'screaming babies', in fact, some of them would've voted leave in 2016. 64% of those polled favours Remain if May's deal is voted down in Parliament, and there's definitely Brexiteers who would've flipped sides in that scenario.

You was saying......

But what was reported from that single poll was 64% would be in favour of another referendum. Is that really the same?

 

[martcov]

Brexit-Sorge: Wo Briten sich neue EU-Pässe besorgen

Statistics about Brexit refugees applying for EU passports.

 

[martcov]

You was saying......

Your point?

 

[Astute]

Your point?

My point?

He said that 64% would be in favour of remain if Mays deal was turned down. And the usual suspects including yourself agreed with him. Yet the truth is that the single poll said 64% would be in favour of another referendum. So he was wrong. But as we all know things that are wrong but in favour of remaining are allowed and even defended on here. Just like now.

So what point are you trying to make?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Maybe if the EU didn't lend money to countries and companies outside the EU to take manufacturing jobs away from the UK...........

Didn't realise they all paid Maggie to take a knife to British industry.

 

[Astute]

Didn't realise they all paid Maggie to take a knife to British industry.

Is this your way of defending the EU again?

It is disgusting how people defend the EU over what they did to UK manufacturing jobs.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The UK has just had yet another month of record employment.

So Germany is having a problem and just because of the diesel scandal that the EU let them get away with as long as it could? I thought you said that the 20,000 jobs lost in the German car industry if we leave without a deal wouldn't be a problem.

Isn't it strange that the UK is the only country that will have major problems.

The EU also let our bankers get away with blue murder in the 2000s. Stop acting like it's a back door effort for the Germans to take over

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Here it is again from the one you just put up yet again. Read it and reconsider what it says. It isn't that 64% would vote leave as you keep saying.

This is from YouGov as you keep saying. But why should all other polls be ignored as they are not from YouGov?

I’ve misinterpreted the data, I accept that. Honest mistake.

The statistics, fortunately, still favour my narrative that there should be a second referendum, especially if May’s deal is rejected in Parliament.

 

[Astute]

The EU also let our bankers get away with blue murder in the 2000s. Stop acting like it's a back door effort for the Germans to take over

Germany? Where did I mention them here? Of course I didn't but you will 've agreed with as usual.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Is this your way of defending the EU again?

It is disgusting how people defend the EU over what they did to UK manufacturing jobs.

The Conservative party and new Labour did far more to knife our industries in the back than the EU. We had our own companies and our own businesses but Maggie thought better before her lovechild Tony finished the job.

The German economy is proof she was wrong.

 

[Astute]

I’ve misinterpreted the data, I accept that. Honest mistake.

The statistics, fortunately, still favour my narrative that there should be a second referendum, especially if May’s deal is rejected in Parliament.

Accepted and we can move on.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Germany? Where did I mention them here? Of course I didn't but you will 've agreed with as usual.

There is nobody I agree with here on all of the issues but you did just talk about Germany getting away with the diesel scandal...

 

[Astute]

The Conservative party and new Labour did far more to knife our industries in the back than the EU. We had our own companies and our own businesses but Maggie thought better before her lovechild Tony finished the job.

The German economy is proof she was wrong.

When have I ever said any differently? If you actually ever read what I say you will see that I have a massive dislike of Maggie and Bliar. But yet I get questioned on here how I can dislike Bliar if I am a Labour voter

 

[Astute]

There is nobody I agree with here on all of the issues but you did just talk about Germany getting away with the diesel scandal...

No. I said previously that the EU did nothing. They knew about it well before the rest of the world. Yet they are supposed to be trying their best to reduce pollution. Work that one out.

European commission warned of car emissions test cheating, five years before VW scandal

European commission guilty of 'negligence' over diesel defeat devices, says draft report

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Are you saying Germany is doing well so the rest of the EU is doing well? You are even wrong on Germany doing well. But let's forget about that point.

As I have said countless times before it is a good reason for the EU to want a trade deal with us. But the doom mongers on here don't want to see the truth.

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Said elsewhere that Germany wasn't tantamount to the Eurozone but are they in better shape as a country, no question. The result of decades of a prudent common sense approach to governance. Industry talks to education to fill skills gaps. People are paid to recycle. The trains run on time and they profit even from our privatised system.

There is not the obsessive desire to hang onto former glories or to resist innovation. They wouldn't spunk £20 billion on a single high speed rail line either. We can either learn from their example or stick two fingers up and pretend we know best.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No. I said previously that the EU did nothing. They knew about it well before the rest of the world. Yet they are supposed to be trying their best to reduce pollution. Work that one out.

European commission warned of car emissions test cheating, five years before VW scandal

So you did talk about Germany then...

 

[Astute]

So you did talk about Germany then...

Was it just now like you made out?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

When have I ever said any differently? If you actually ever read what I say you will see that I have a massive dislike of Maggie and Bliar. But yet I get questioned on here how I can dislike Bliar if I am a Labour voter

So you agree with me and we can stop blaming Johnny Foreigner for the loss of our industries.

 

[Astute]

Said elsewhere that Germany wasn't tantamount to the Eurozone but are they in better shape as a country, no question. The result of decades of a prudent common sense approach to governance. Industry talks to education to fill skills gaps. People are paid to recycle. The trains run on time and they profit even from our privatised system.

There is not the obsessive desire to hang onto former glories or to resist innovation. They wouldn't spunk £20 billion on a single high speed rail line either. We can either learn from their example or stick two fingers up and pretend we know best.

20 billion? More like 100 billion plus.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Was it just now like you made out?

I directly quoted you so, yes. Very bizarre are you becoming forgetful in old age?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

20 billion? More like 100 billion plus.

I was being generous to us but you are just reinforcing my point.

 

[Astute]

So you agree with me and we can stop blaming Johnny Foreigner for the loss of our industries.

I will blame who is to blame for each event. And not keep quiet about Bliar, Maggie or the EU as they are all to blame in ways.

 

[Astute]

I was being generous to us but you are just reinforcing my point.

Which I have said about several times. Yet you still say I am biased

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Which I have said about several times. Yet you still say I am biased

I don't remember calling you biased, at least not recently...

 

[Astute]

I directly quoted you so, yes. Very bizarre are you becoming forgetful in old age?

So when was it? And was I right? And did any pro EU whatever make any sort of comment? Of course not as it looks and is very bad for the EU. Them letting the German auto makers get away with it has caused untold deaths. But to some it isn't a problem. And they don't want it mentioning.

But if it was a UK manufacturer would they have tried sweeping it under the carpet?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I will blame who is to blame for each event. And not keep quiet about Bliar, Maggie or the EU as they are all to blame in ways.

The bulk of the damage done was by our own governments who thought that financial services alone would do the job.

 

[Astute]

The bulk of the damage done was by our own governments who thought that financial services alone would do the job.

For the future it is a good move. Short term not. Everything is becoming automated. Jobs are being taken over by machines. Where I work we even have FLT's without drivers. We have robots doing intricate jobs. Most people taken on now are either electrical/mechanical to keep them going. Manufacturing jobs are going at a quick rate. But production isn't going down.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So when was it? And was I right? And did any pro EU whatever make any sort of comment? Of course not as it looks and is very bad for the EU. Them letting the German auto makers get away with it has caused untold deaths. But to some it isn't a problem. And they don't want it mentioning.

But if it was a UK manufacturer would they have tried sweeping it under the carpet?

It was in the past half hour??

EU scientists were aware of the dodgy cars in 2013, that is true. What also seems to have happened is that the car industry lobbied heavily for leniency and they got it. If we still had British owned car manufacturers, you can bet your bottom dollar that they would have been in on it. Does it make VW's crimes right of course not and the company paid massively for these.

If Britain does well the EU does well, or at least until we leave it does. There is no incentive for it to screw the industry of one of its biggest economies.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

For the future it is a good move. Short term not. Everything is becoming automated. Jobs are being taken over by machines. Where I work we even have FLT's without drivers. We have robots doing intricate jobs. Most people taken on now are either electrical/mechanical to keep them going. Manufacturing jobs are going at a quick rate. But production isn't going down.

Technology could be what helps humanity to create a prosperous future for us all, or it could be used to entrench billions in poverty. Hopefully we make the right choice

 

[Astute]

There is no incentive for it to screw the industry of one of its biggest economies.

They knew in 2010 IIRC. They could have at least quietly warned them. But they let them continue as they were. And countless people have lost their lives because of it.

It could have been stopped straight away. They could have moved back to petrol engines or paid more money as they could have to make them safe.

 

[Astute]

Technology could be what helps humanity to create a prosperous future for us all, or it could be used to entrench billions in poverty. Hopefully we make the right choice

The cheap choice will be made. We work for shareholders these days. They don't care about the people. They just want as much profit as they can get. And it won't be shared with anyone who needs it. Otherwise it could be used to reduce the working week.

But as usual the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. Some things will never change.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They knew in 2010 IIRC. They could have at least quietly warned them. But they let them continue as they were. And countless people have lost their lives because of it.

It could have been stopped straight away. They could have moved back to petrol engines or paid more money as they could have to make them safe.

I believe the first studies were done in 2013 and they agreed it was a problem but couldn't decide how to solve it. I do find it funny that you are so concerned about the estimated 60 people to have died from extra NOx emissions but have little for climate change rendering regions of the planet uninhabitable in my lifetime.

Burning petrol instead of diesel makes no odds in the grand scheme of our climate fuckery.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The cheap choice will be made. We work for shareholders these days. They don't care about the people. They just want as much profit as they can get. And it won't be shared with anyone who needs it. Otherwise it could be used to reduce the working week.

But as usual the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. Some things will never change.

But you think the man most likely to try and change that is a prick.