Local elections are not a referendum on the EU. But, there’s no way you can say that the Liberals didn’t have a good result. The fact that people used them as a protest vote and hammered UKIP shows that being 100% remain didn’t frighten voters off. Which it would have done if the will of the people really was purely for Brexit.
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Local elections are not a referendum on the EU. But, there’s no way you can say that the Liberals didn’t have a good result. The fact that people used them as a protest vote and hammered UKIP shows that being 100% remain didn’t frighten voters off. Which it would have done if the will of the people really was purely for Brexit.
An advisor. He is their advisor as Party rules forbid him membership.
Grendel
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He’s not standing for them. What percentage vote did they get at the last general election?
skybluetony176
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Based on what?
No. I am saying the Tories will be hammered as will UKIP. Labour would beat Farage if they took a clear line either way. At the moment they are losing hard core on both sides.
He is standing as an independent for the reason I have already given. The last general election is history, as is the Brexit referendum. Their EU MEPS have been reduced by Farage swapping parties. Awaits the cry of traitor... should give up his mandate.... etc etc. Long wait. Soubry and co were pilloried by the same people who stay silent when the leader switches sides.
Grendel
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Grendel
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You really make it up as you go along don’t you. Shall I get Nigel’s autograph for you? Signed photo to put on your bedside table.
No no no.......... I think your leader is a contender for that honour... and if you go international, his bedfellow in the USA has beaten the 10000 lie mark in his presidency already. World record even for politicians.
What have I made up?
Grendel
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So you think Nicholas Clegg was an honest man?
skybluetony176
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No reply then.
Evo1883
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This was a post on Twitter that gained a lot of traction from a leave voter
“I’m a die hard Brexiteer, I always vote Libdem at the local election in my area,because Libdems are great local councillors who work hard and keep in touch all year,I will never vote for them at a GE especially now with their national party not really being Liberal or Democratic”
Local elections do not resemble the country’s intentions on Brexit , is the short answer
“I’m a die hard Brexiteer, I always vote Libdem at the local election in my area,because Libdems are great local councillors who work hard and keep in touch all year,I will never vote for them at a GE especially now with their national party not really being Liberal or Democratic”
Local elections do not resemble the country’s intentions on Brexit , is the short answer
Grendel
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Look at the video - i know you struggle with technology and links to files - I’m sure Mart will help you - perhaps you can discover the answer together
SIR ERNIE
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No Tony, they want to stop Brexit.
skybluetony176
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I asked you for your opinion. Clearly you don’t have one and it was just something to say.
skybluetony176
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They want to give the public an opportunity to change their mind once what leave actually means has been established. The right to change your mind is democracy.
tisza
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An 8% rise in their share of the vote from the last time these particular elections were held (2015) to just 19% is not that good a result in the context of the national dissatisfaction with the 2 major partie The fact is they normally average around 15-16% in these particular council elections. In fact only takes them back to 2017 levels.
Main gains were for independents which should be a concern for Lib Dems as they still weren't first option for many "protest" voters. Lib Dems campaigned as a Remain protest vote whilst Labour was actually focusing on domestic issues primarily austerity issue.
The 2 main Brexit parties couldn't field candidates ( and they are currently polling around 40% for Euro elections).
UKIP barely fielded any candidates compared to last elections. Also reflects their association as not being just a Brexit party but something more unpleasant and to the far right of British politics.
SIR ERNIE
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Well you’ve clearly fallen for it, no surprise there eh Tony.
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I don’t think he comes close to Farage or Trump.
The gist of that is that, as a minority partner in a coalition with your mates, they sold their soul to have some say. Is there a list of the other side of their trade offs? Perhaps not.
skybluetony176
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Here it is again just for you Grendull as you seem to have forgotten what you said in a matter of hours. You should probably seek a medical opinion on that.
Aside from highlighting what you said in bold and underlining it your post is unedited so it maintains context. You said it. If you’ve now changed your mind fair play but at least have the dignity to admit it rather than pretending you didn’t say it in the first place.
Grendel
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Yeah I said that - are you drunk?
Just a quote from someone else ( a different take ):
„All declared now (20:45)
Tories 3562 (-1332)
Labour 2021 (-81)
LibDems 1344 (+700)
Independents 1044 (+606)
UKIP 31 (-145)
Greens 265 (+194)
LibDems & Greens both out-performed best expectations by a lot.
Labour under-performed by 600, & Tories by 850.
They'll both be panicking.“
The greens are also pro remain. You didn’t include them.
Grendel
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Who said that?
tisza
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Greens have a very definite campaign for local elections. Didn't campaign for those wanting to protest 2 main parties or Brexit.
Interested to know whose quote it is.
Labour & those tories wanting a quick, soft Brexit will be panicking.
These elections will soon be forgotten with a Euro election campaign.
On a domestic national level only a complete meltdown (or split tory party) will improve Lib dem fortunes. Although they would take more seats the the independent group could easily end up with a similar % of total vote.
GE would be fought on domestic issues where Lib dems consistently fail to make an impact with the electorate
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Yes, but would they get enough to form a Lb Lab coalition? Even if we have left the EU by the next election the story will not be over. There are years of negotiations to come plus probable economic damage to contend with. Remain will become rejoin.
tisza
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Never happen.
More likely leave to become completely leave as people realize that they don't have a say whilst paying the bill.
EU quite clear that to rejoin UK would have to start at the bottom , no rebate and no veto. Questionable as to whether would be allowed not to have to join Euro.
Don’t have a say? In the Parliament or in the EU Council?
Astute
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Both the Tories and Labour are remain parties. The problem is the voters. Nobody knows where the majority is with them. So neither party can go all out on remain.
Astute
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Yet you voted for Farage :smuggrin:
skybluetony176
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According to Grendull they’re both leave. Best take it up with him.
Astute
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I suppose it is OK for Bliar to have blood on his hands because he is a remainer.....