The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (54 Viewers)

[djr8369]

No it doesn’t - what I find funny is that open borders of different currencies and fiscal taxation stops illegal smuggling by just legitimising it. It’s funny.

In Benelux one country (I can’t remember which) had a huge luxury car tax - I think Netherlands - and they saved 50% by opening the border. Before the opening they’d have tried to do it but failed mostly and were fined. Unless you have a unified currency and fiscal policy all an open border does is turn a blind eye to the “smuggler”

Imaging if we are still in Europe and the Euro collapses versus the pound. The goods in the south are then so much cheaper than the north so all that happens is the north goes south to fill its petrol and saves a load of money, or buys at the nearest supermarket and drives back. From a commercial viewpoint the open border has Been a massive headache. Just think say if Wales was independent and it’s new currency was a 10th of the pound but there is no border what would you actually do? People would just drive and shop there

Open borders don’t work if you have a different currency and fiscal policy.

How does VAT work? It is 22% in Ireland isn’t it? What is fuel duty? It’s a nightmare.

You also seem to be arguing FOR borders while not answering my question on whether you now acknowledge that we will need a border to comply with our future trading arrangements. Recall that a couple of weeks ago you were arguing against the need for a hard border and saying it would be Ireland putting one up.


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[skybluetony176]

stops illegal smuggling by just legitimising it

The word is decriminalising. It cut of a serious source of funding to terrorist. That is something to celebrate.

 

[djr8369]

We are in a different fiscal arrangement in VAT terms - can you show me how the smuggling trade will work and which contraband will be the most likely?

No I can’t show you which contraband will be most likely as I don’t know what tariff arrangement we will be in or where the price differentials will be.

You keep asking questions but answering none.


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[Grendel]

Absolute ignoramus

Yawn self righteous indignation alert

 

[skybluetony176]

Are you now making a case for joining the euro?

Does any of this negate the points I have raised about smuggling increasing if we are in a different tariff arrangement to the EU?


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Quite often his anti Euro rants are the best argument I’ve ever heard for joining the Euro. Something for the record I’m totally opposed to.

 

[skybluetony176]

Yawn self righteous indignation alert

Now that’s irony.

 

[Grendel]

No I can’t show you which contraband will be most likely as I don’t know what tariff arrangement we will be in or where the price differentials will be.

You keep asking questions but answering none.


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With respect it’s you that’s made a smuggling argument but can’t articulate coherently the argument not me

 

[Sick Boy]

Well no Mowlam and Blair did that

Wow

 

[djr8369]

With respect it’s you that’s made a smuggling argument but can’t articulate coherently the argument not me

I’d hazard a guess that I’ve explained it simply enough that the majority of the posters on the thread can comprehend it. If anyone hasn’t please free free to ask or let me know if you’ve understood. Healthy discussions benefits us all.

Shall I take that as a yes on you now accepting a border will be required as you’ve since started arguing the merits of borders?


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[skybluetony176]

No I can’t show you which contraband will be most likely as I don’t know what tariff arrangement we will be in or where the price differentials will be.

You keep asking questions but answering none.


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I can tell you quite a lot of the historical contraband is.

Petrol from the south to the north, you’ve already mentioned.
Alcohol IIRC was south to north
Cigarettes was south to north.
Disposable nappies I remember moving from north to south. All sorts of food stuff in both directions, especially canned.
Brown lemonade from north to south (try it if you’re ever in Ireland)
Agricultural products, don’t remember in which direction but use to go at night by the lough.

Can’t remember anymore of the top of my head but my uncle Bob is over at the moment and I’m doing my best not to incriminate him but let’s just say that he might know.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

With respect it’s you that’s made a smuggling argument but can’t coherently articulate the argument not me

There we are

 

[skybluetony176]

Wow

I think you meant WOW!

 

[Grendel]

Wow

Oh please

 

[Sick Boy]

Oh please

Your view of the GFA as ‘surrender’ puts you pretty much on the same page as some pretty extreme people.

I’m sure you’ve also used being against it as something to attack Corbyn with hahaha

 

[Grendel]

I can tell you quite a lot of the historical contraband is.

Petrol from the south to the north, you’ve already mentioned.
Alcohol IIRC was south to north
Cigarettes was south to north.
Disposable nappies I remember moving from north to south. All sorts of food stuff in both directions, especially canned.
Brown lemonade from north to south (try it if you’re ever in Ireland)
Agricultural products, don’t remember in which direction but use to go at night by the lough.

Can’t remember anymore of the top of my head but my uncle Bob is over at the moment and doing my best not to incriminate him but let’s just say that he might know.

It’s like talking to idiots - like Blair I surrender to the Irish extremists

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s like talking to idiots - like Blair I surrender to the Irish extremists

You’re starting to come across as pretty extreme yourself, you should go over to the north and go around saying that to the locals.

 

[skybluetony176]

Your view of the GFA as ‘surrender’ puts you pretty much on the same page as some pretty extreme people.

I’m sure you’ve also used being against it as something to attack Corbyn with hahaha

In Northern Ireland there was a 81% turnout for the referendum and 71% voted for the GFA, to suggest that a large percentage of the Protestant community surrendered to the IRA, including RUC officers and UDR members is laughable.

There you go Grendull. Toddle of onto wiki your usual fact checking source when you don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

[skybluetony176]

You’re starting to come across as pretty extreme yourself, you should go over to the north and go around saying that to the locals.

I’d pay to see that.

 

[Grendel]

In Northern Ireland there was a 81% turnout for the referendum and 71% voted for the GFA, to suggest that a large percentage of the Protestant community surrendered to the IRA, including RUC officers and UDR members is laughable.

There you go Grendull. Toddle of onto wiki your usual fact checking source when you don’t know what you’re talking about.

How many voted to leave the EU?

 

[Grendel]

You’re starting to come across as pretty extreme yourself, you should go over to the north and go around saying that to the locals.

My paternal family come from the north

 

[djr8369]

How many voted to leave the EU?

How many wore jeans today?


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[djr8369]

There we are

Beer o’clock?


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[Sick Boy]

My paternal family come from the north

Then you should be aware of how ridiculous you sound.

 

[skybluetony176]

My paternal family come from the north

Yet you’re still clueless. Clearly ignorance is an issue you’ve experienced your whole life.

 

[skybluetony176]

How many wore jeans today?


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How many have ginger hair and freckles?

 

[Grendel]

How many wore jeans today?


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Oh dear

 

[Grendel]

Yet you’re still clueless. Clearly ignorance is an issue you’ve experienced your whole life.

No Tony I’m really not - Ireland cannot be used by a remain uk as a prop to justify their stance

 

[djr8369]

Oh dear

Oh please

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[djr8369]

No Tony I’m really not - Ireland cannot be used by a remain uk as a prop to justify their stance

A prop? Fucking hell.


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[Grendel]

Then you should be aware of how ridiculous you sound.

No I happen to have a view which s lot of other people in the north also share.

 

[Grendel]

A prop? Fucking hell.


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Of course it’s a prop. As if you give a flying fuck about Ireland as if macron when he bleats about the Belfast surrender agreement as if he even knows what it is.

 

[skybluetony176]

No Tony I’m really not - Ireland cannot be used by a remain uk as a prop to justify their stance

As it’s part of the U.K. it qualifies and for many reasons, for the same reasons it can’t be ignored by your Brexit at any cost cult you’re in.

 

[Sick Boy]

A prop? Fucking hell.


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At least he has been honest about not being bothered about Northern Ireland and letting it go being worth it for Brexit. It is probably a majority amongst Brexiteers (in England) and the UK in general. Most people couldn't care less about NI.

 

[Grendel]

As it’s part of the U.K. it qualifies and for many reasons, for the same reasons it can’t be ignored by your Brexit at any cost cult you’re in.

What is the number of people who voted to remain in Ireland less the number who wanted to leave - as a guess I’d say the population of Nuneaton

 

[Sick Boy]

No I happen to have a view which s lot of other people in the north also share.

You've become majorly detached from reality now.