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PVA

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I wonder if this has opened his eyes a little? I sincerely hope so, but we shall see.

Boris Johnson has praised the "exemplary" care he has received from doctors and nurses during his coronavirus treatment, saying: "I owe them my life."

Hailing the work of medics at St Thomas' Hospital in London, the prime minister has told friends: "I can't thank them enough."
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Ian1779

Ian1779

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
What have I said that is nonsense? My points have largely been proven since my original post already.

The mentality here is that because I'm not 100% Labour that means I'm an enemy? I seem to remember the same attitudes back in the 2016 referendum. I've done more tory negative posts (due to the corona handling) and criticse both parties when I see fit. Considering that I didn't vote for, or like either of them, I don't see how that makes me anything other than neutral.

Really, get a grip.
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You said this crisis would be worse under Labour... with no discernible or credible evidence to back up that view. I’m calling it out because it’s a) pure whataboutery b) deflection and c) total bullshit.

It is a global emergency, and yes it has hit some countries very badly. But we had the jump on this, we had time to get our shit together. Herd Immunity is an ideology that sits perfectly in the Tory attitudes of fuck the poor.

The Tories own this... every single failure to prepare adequately sits solely with them and no-one else.
 
Otis

Otis

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David O'Day said:
The Chinese did use it on Covid-19 patients, it could useful for mild cases but didnt show any results against severe cases
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Over here I mean. Just didn't think it was worth it? A mild, or moderate case can surely turn into a severe case can't it. Often the symptoms start off as mild don't they?
 
Brylowes

Brylowes

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Astute said:
How many comments against her from this thread alone would you like to see?

She seems to be useless. She seems to be untrustworthy. She stumbled on a number. Abbott said the number she had worked out for herself. Wouldn't want either of them in charge of anything.
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I can’t stand Patel for many reasons ‘this isn’t and won’t become one of them.
The abuse including death threats that Abbott endures is unbelievable ‘and whatever Patel
Gets up to in the future ‘she will never truly receive the Abbott treatment.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Ian1779 said:
You said this crisis would be worse under Labour... with no discernible or credible evidence to back up that view. I’m calling it out because it’s a) pure whataboutery b) deflection and c) total bullshit.

It is a global emergency, and yes it has hit some countries very badly. But we had the jump on this, we had time to get our shit together. Herd Immunity is an ideology that sits perfectly in the Tory attitudes of fuck the poor.

The Tories own this... every single failure to prepare adequately sits solely with them and no-one else.
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I said I thought the crisis would be handled even worse under Labour, that's not saying the tories have handled it well is it? That's not saying anyone other than the tories are accountable is it?

Your post is completely bizarre. I made the point that the tories handled it badly and can break that down into several reasons also. I only said that I don't think Labour would have come out any better. Obviously the only point you picked up on was the latter.

Instead of trying to add a balanced debate and perhaps talk about the points I raised, you have completely proved yourself to be one of the people I was talking about in my original post. To bring up my post from a while back is exactly point scoring.

You're bitter Ian. If I had said fuck labour and suck off the tories you might have a point, but all I have done is say that trying to see this from a neutral perspective is like no man's land, and that the actual virus is a side plot to some in their conquest to boast about their own political standpoints.
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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SIR ERNIE said:
But you didn't refer to midwives in your original post though did you:



It was only when others pointed out that PPE should be changed for each patient that you admitted she wasn't front line.
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I’ve repeated numerous times on here she’s a midwife over the last 5 years.

I wasn’t actually trying to make out she was on the frontline either, nor did I say she was, I feel worried about her enough as it is.
 
Ring Of Steel

Ring Of Steel

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SIR ERNIE said:
But you didn't refer to midwives in your original post though did you:


It was only when others pointed out that PPE should be changed for each patient that you admitted she wasn't front line.
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“Admitted she wasn’t on the front line”??

What, so she’s not as important, inferior somehow?

prick
 
Brylowes

Brylowes

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Ian1779 said:
You said this crisis would be worse under Labour... with no discernible or credible evidence to back up that view. I’m calling it out because it’s a) pure whataboutery b) deflection and c) total bullshit.
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Well there’s one thing we can be absolutely certain on,
The NHS was already a crumbling wreck before Covid 19 was even a thing, ten years of severe
austerity measures have seen to that, serious questions are already asked every winter ‘as to
whether or not it will be able to cope with the seasonal outbreak of ordinary Flu.
Those austerity measures have seen the NHS shrink by 10.000 Doctors, 40.000 Nurses as well
As several thousand beds, these unprecedented cuts to staff alongside swathing cuts to budgets
For all other medical resources have to take there toll ‘and they do.

The NHS couldn’t really be facing this pandemic in worse shape ‘and that comes down to policies
Of this Government ‘in all its guises’ over the last ten years ‘nobody else.
Would Labour have embarked on a programme of Austerity ? Of course not.
Would Labour have neglected the NHS and culled staff numbers ? Of course non.

So if nothing else ‘the NHS would have been facing this fight in a much healthier position Than
It finds itself now.
And if people say I’m politicising the situation Tough Shit !!
People are dying in large numbers Because of Governmental decisions ‘and they have to be
Held accountable.
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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Otis said:
Over here I mean. Just didn't think it was worth it? A mild, or moderate case can surely turn into a severe case can't it. Often the symptoms start off as mild don't they?
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Yeah it is a drug that is worth looking at
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Liquid Gold said:
The gopher party? It doesn't matter because he hasn't been involved in government for 10 years.
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But if the government are really shit and Timmy Mallet is the only realistic opposition to bring them down and make the country better, then I guess it is relevant at a time like this where the way our country is governed is under a microscope.
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
But if the government are really shit and Timmy Mallet is the only realistic opposition to bring them down and make the country better, then I guess it is relevant at a time like this where the way our country is governed is under a microscope.
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Nobody can bring them down, they have a stonking majority and 5 years of doing whatever the fuck they like, now is the perfect time for people to suck it up and see what they voted for.
 
Ian1779

Ian1779

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
But if the government are really shit and Timmy Mallet is the only realistic opposition to bring them down and make the country better, then I guess it is relevant at a time like this where the way our country is governed is under a microscope.
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Realistic opposition is the biggest fucking misnomer of all. What you mean is compliant opposition.
 
Brylowes

Brylowes

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
But if the government are really shit and Timmy Mallet is the only realistic opposition to bring them down and make the country better, then I guess it is relevant at a time like this where the way our country is governed is under a microscope.
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You seem to be of the opinion that Labour were utterly useless and completely unelectable.

If that is your opinion ‘and of course you are entitled to it, what is it that they Said or did to
make you think that way, which of Labour’s policies led you to this way of thinking.
 
Astute

Astute

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Liquid Gold said:
Criticise both sides all you want. One side has been in charge for a decade and done fuck all to prepare the NHS for anything like this and in actual fact made it less capable due to ideologically enforced privatisations and the other side hasn’t. Hypothetical ‘the other side are just as bad’ is pathetic stawman bollocks.
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And here is the problem. And before you try to make out it is a dig at Labour supporters it isn't.

Look....have a go at the party I don't support but don't you dare have a go at the party I do support. And if you do I will make up a comment and get backed up by others.

Want a debate? Not possible.

Want proof? Boris is an absolute idiot. But defended to the hilt by most Tories. Corbyn.....no chance of becoming PM. But until it couldn't be denied anymore he was the man.

NHS? Yes the normal shitshow from the Tories. If you are honest or not a Tory whatever you won't even try to deny this. But if you are Labour whatever you will want to forget that Labour speeded up privatisation of the NHS under Bliar and Brown. Those measures are still in place. Those measures take billions out of the NHS every year.

But yes I am a twat because I dare say what I see.
 
Astute

Astute

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Brylowes said:
You seem to be of the opinion that Labour were utterly useless and completely unelectable.

If that is your opinion ‘and of course you are entitled to it, what is it that they Said or did to
make you think that way, which of Labour’s policies led you to this way of thinking.
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Why do some like yourself still try to deny this?

This is the problem with Labour mentality. You were not allowed to say anything about what you could see. But anyone who doesn't vote Labour because it is what they do could see it.

Corbyn. Lots of skeletons in the closet. No charisma. Never put a point across with conviction. Brexit? Lost a lot more votes than he gained by not wanting to say what he would do. Anti EU all his life. But said a few things about remaining. Should have been much more clear on the matter.

McDonnell. Lots of skeletons in the closet. Looked to be the puppet master. Long term close friend of Corbyn.

Abbott. Vilified for being thick. But I don't think anyone would say she isn't thick. Just mention the hard time she got. Ex fuckpiece of Corbyn.

Choosing people to help you should be putting the best people in place. Not thise who have been with you for over 30 years in whatever you have done.

On to policies. Free broadband for everyone. This included the rich. About 50 billion initial cost. Hundreds of millions to run each year. Billions more needed in investment.

Untold billions to be spent on nationalizing utilities and transport. Transport would be first. When I was against this I was called the usual names. Yeah let's spend lots of billions bringing back the train services. But when I said about just waiting until the contracts were over and nit pay thise untold billions out the penny dropped on most. More untold billions would have been wasted.

Labour had a chance? You don't honestly believe that do you?

The Tories were in turmoil. They ended up making an absolute clown the PM. Recipe for disaster. No decent policies. But he had one line.

We heard that most of us were supposed to be Remainers at the time of the last election. Yet get Brexit done won the election campaign for the Tories. Why was this?
 
Astute

Astute

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Brylowes said:
I can’t stand Patel for many reasons ‘this isn’t and won’t become one of them.
The abuse including death threats that Abbott endures is unbelievable ‘and whatever Patel
Gets up to in the future ‘she will never truly receive the Abbott treatment.
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The biggest fault with the internet is it gives freedom to keyboard warriors. It gives the courage to someone who is scared of their own shadow to insult everyone. It has become a big part of everyone's life.

I am glad I didn't grow up with the internet in place. As a family we were poor. Single mother who worked all the hours she could get. No dad to show me right from wrong. Brought up in the select council estates in Coventry.

But I had a great childhood. When not at school I went out as soon as it got light. Went home as it got dark. You learned about life. You learned how to look after yourself. You learned what really matters in life. Everyone would listen to their neighbours. I was scared of them on both sides of us more than anyone else in the world. And only because I respected them.

Fast forward to now. My upbringing now would be a perfect excuse for being an absolute tosser. I would look up to influencers on the internet. I would have learned you don't need to respect authority. I would sit on the internet all day. Blame everything that is wrong on everyone else. Disagree with someone on the internet that would kick the shit out of me in real life? Not a problem. Just constantly call him a twat from behind my keyboard. I am a big man sitting here. I can insult who I want in safety.

And there is your problem. Idiots can say what they want mainly with immunity. Some just want to be noticed. They just want ti be controversial. They want their internet points. The most valuable asset to a lot of people.

How do I know this you may ask. I have met people who seem sound on the internet. They are sound in real life. I have met up with argumentative people on the net. They are sound in real life. This happens because I don't hide who I am. Many have seen pictures of me. And I stand out a little because of my size. So they come up to me at games. Have a beer. Have a laugh. It is as though you have known each other for years.

Then everyone gets behind their keyboards again :D
 
Astute

Astute

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Liquid Gold said:
I think Timmy Mallet would have done a really shit job dealing with this. That also has no relevance because he also hasn't been in the position to do anything about it.
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I don't agree. I think he is the closest to Boris than anyone else.
 
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