Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (9 Viewers)

skyblueinBaku

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It’s not an important report.


I mean if starting from scratch obviously I’d have water nationalised, but I just think there’s bigger priorities for spending right now.



Morrison’s were the same. 200m has into the queue they give you a wipe. Why?
I treat the trolly handle at my local Tesco with sanitiser before I touch it. Then treat it again with the Tesco provided stuff at the entrance to the shop.
 

skybluetony176

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You see that’s my problem with hardcore labour voters,They just can’t see what us floating voters can.
It’s one of the reasons Corbyn and his front bench could never be elected.
The last election and labours new team are a god send for this country as we now have an electable looking opposition.
Serious question. Does the more radical factions and elements of the Tory Party put you of voting Tory in the same way? How about the language of the leader?
 

clint van damme

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Yeah gloves will transmit it just as easily, unless you change them for EVERY little thing you do.

Tesco made me laugh. Disinfect your trolley at the front door when you’ve already been pushing it around for 15 minutes. Yeah well done.

Are you still working Tommo?
 

Astute

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I meant in context of size - yet it’s still important to deal with. There is still more cases of anti-semitism in the Conservative party (which is naturally more of a home for Jewish people)
So why do Jewish people see it as a much bigger problem with Labour than the Tories?
 

RegTheDonk

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You said this crisis would be worse under Labour... with no discernible or credible evidence to back up that view. I’m calling it out because it’s a) pure whataboutery b) deflection and c) total bullshit.

It is a global emergency, and yes it has hit some countries very badly. But we had the jump on this, we had time to get our shit together. Herd Immunity is an ideology that sits perfectly in the Tory attitudes of fuck the poor.

The Tories own this... every single failure to prepare adequately sits solely with them and no-one else.
I don't think the crisis would be worse under Labour, but I don't see how it would have been any better. If this was predictable who can honestly say what steps they would have taken months ago at the last election. Yes, they might have pledged a shit load more dosh into the NHS ... but would it have paid for Captain Hindsight stockpiling for the current crisis, or just more staff and better wages?

Whoever was in charge it it still wouldn't have stopped what happened in China and I doubt very much Labour would have done much different to stop it making its way over here. Would they have locked down the airports and the sea ports?

As for herd immunity, they would probabaly have listened to the same experts getting it wrong. Would Jezza go against them?

Think we need to all stop the policitial what if's and concentrate on a way forward.
 

clint van damme

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It’s not an important report.


I mean if starting from scratch obviously I’d have water nationalised, but I just think there’s bigger priorities for spending right now.



Morrison’s were the same. 200m has into the queue they give you a wipe. Why?

And this sort of proves the point on nationalisation policy.
Even those of us broadly behind it disagree with which sectors to target with the exception of rail which seemed to have a lot of support even among Tory voters.
It should have been a simple the railways are costing the tax payer this much we're going to renationalised and save that money message.
It was too broad.
 

clint van damme

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You see that’s my problem with hardcore labour voters,They just can’t see what us floating voters can.
It’s one of the reasons Corbyn and his front bench could never be elected.
The last election and labours new team are a god send for this country as we now have an electable looking opposition.

But the new shadow cabinet has Rachael Reeves in yet suddenly no.one gives a fu k about antisemitism.
Why us that?
 

Astute

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I’m not disagreeing with anything you said- Why are you always accusing someone of being mean to you? I don’t see anyone being a dick towards you?
I said I agree twice. But you kept reiterating your point. I agreed the first time. I agreed the second time. I can't do much more than agree.

But you don't seem to want to acknowledge the point of the mire people that enter with the virus the worse it would be. To me we kept our borders open too long. We were very late closing them.
 

Astute

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And this sort of proves the point on nationalisation policy.
Even those of us broadly behind it disagree with which sectors to target with the exception of rail which seemed to have a lot of support even among Tory voters.
It should have been a simple the railways are costing the tax payer this much we're going to renationalised and save that money message.
It was too broad.
Or say out loud each time a franchise came to an end for whatever reason it would not be renewed. Nice, clear and precise. No chance of it being twisted by anyone.
 

skybluetony176

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read the thread- Ireland banned all St Patrick’s Day celebrations at the same time U.K. was welcoming in 250,000+ for Cheltenham and holding major concerts across the country

and before the nationalists start frothing away- intention is to show what U.K. did differently and badly, not to somehow show Ireland is ‘better’, it’s not. Less stupid perhaps though.
Ireland has also just extended its Coronavirus lockdown into May. Let’s remember that this is a country in political limbo at the moment still waiting to form a government following its own GE showing more leadership than a government that won by a landslide some months earlier. That on its own just doesn’t add up.
 

clint van damme

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So why do Jewish people see it as a much bigger problem with Labour than the Tories?

Because it's been weaponised.
And I don't agree that Jewish people do.
Some parts of the Jewish community do for sure. But the Jewish community isn't one entity with one opinion.
Johnson cosied up to the biggest antisemite leader in Europe, who incidentally has just gone full facist, and no one gave a fuck.
 

David O'Day

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Because it's been weaponised.
And I don't agree that Jewish people do.
Some parts of the Jewish community do for sure. But the Jewish community isn't one entity with one opinion.
Johnson cosied up to the biggest antisemite leader in Europe, who incidentally has just gone full facist, and no one gave a fuck.
There are many jewish people who still support labour.

I also find it antisemitic to see the Jewish community as 1 entity who always think the same thing.

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Ian1779

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There are many jewish people who still support labour.

I also find it antisemitic to see the Jewish community as 1 entity who always think the same thing.

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Yes you are right - but you had people from Jewish groups speaking out like they did. They wouldn’t even listen to people of their own community....
 

David O'Day

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Yes you are right - but you had people from Jewish groups speaking out like they did. They wouldn’t even listen to people of their own community....
I saw an interview with a jewish author who was calling the jewish Corbyn supporter a self hating jew on tv.

That is antisemitic

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clint van damme

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I saw an interview with a jewish author who was calling the jewish Corbyn supporter a self hating jew on tv.

That is antisemitic

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The antisemitism aimed Jewish Corbyn supporters is incredible.
Same happens in the States with Jews who criticise Israel. Michael Rosen has has some horrific abuse.
 

David O'Day

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Yes you are right - but you had people from Jewish groups speaking out like they did. They wouldn’t even listen to people of their own community....
I saw an interview with a jewish author who was calling the jewish Corbyn supporter a self hating jew on tv.

That is antisemitic

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shmmeee

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Point proven
If shed been in Corbyns cabinet you'd have heard about her praising Nancy Astor (rabid anti Semite) in a speech.

Absolutely no two ways about it.

Come on. Praising the first woman in parliament who happened to be an antisemite at a time where most people were anti semites isn’t quite the same as sharing a platform with them or otherwise hanging about. Or sharing anti Jew conspiracy stuff.

There absolutely has been people making the most of tiny stuff, but there’s also been a problem with some one the far left and Corbyn himself.
 

Astute

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Because it's been weaponised.
And I don't agree that Jewish people do.
Some parts of the Jewish community do for sure. But the Jewish community isn't one entity with one opinion.
Johnson cosied up to the biggest antisemite leader in Europe, who incidentally has just gone full facist, and no one gave a fuck.
I can't agree or disagree with anything.

Recently I had what ended up being a few hours to spare at work. I followed a link from a news website. Ended up knowing less on the subject than when I started.

At least I haven't had a go at Starmer on the subject ;)
 

Tommo1993

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Are you still working Tommo?

Still working mate. Weeks ago they said about giving the fleet a box of gloves and some sanitiser each, which almost sounds like a lonely night in.

Last week they asked for 6 (out of 15 of us) volunteers to take a minimum of 3 weeks furlough. I thought about everyone I know already taking furlough or working from home, and how most of them are losing the will. My mrs in particular - she’s quite stressed about it, says she can’t separate work from home, I understand that. We say me going to work is the closest thing we have to normal at the moment, so I told them no. They said if they don’t get the volunteers then it’ll go down to performance on some scoring system they have. As far as I’m aware I’m their 5th best so I wouldn’t be forced either. Even so, I can’t see things picking up for a few more weeks yet, maybe they’ll even rotate it.
 

clint van damme

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Come on. Praising the first woman in parliament who happened to be an antisemite at a time where most people were anti semites isn’t quite the same as sharing a platform with them or otherwise hanging about. Or sharing anti Jew conspiracy stuff.

There absolutely has been people making the most of tiny stuff, but there’s also been a problem with some one the far left and Corbyn himself.

That's fair comment about Reeves but no way that would have been accepted if she'd been in Corbyns cabinet. Not a chance
 

Astute

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Still working mate. Weeks ago they said about giving the fleet a box of gloves and some sanitiser each, which almost sounds like a lonely night in.

Last week they asked for 6 (out of 15 of us) volunteers to take a minimum of 3 weeks furlough. I thought about everyone I know already taking furlough or working from home, and how most of them are losing the will. My mrs in particular - she’s quite stressed about it, says she can’t separate work from home, I understand that. We say me going to work is the closest thing we have to normal at the moment, so I told them no. They said if they don’t get the volunteers then it’ll go down to performance on some scoring system they have. As far as I’m aware I’m their 5th best so I wouldn’t be forced either. Even so, I can’t see things picking up for a few more weeks yet, maybe they’ll even rotate it.
Only the 5th best? Pull your finger out ;)
 

Marty

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I do have a question, are we allowed to find another job while being on furlough? My employers are saying no but I know of other companies that are allowing staff to work elsewhere.
 

Astute

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Come on. Praising the first woman in parliament who happened to be an antisemite at a time where most people were anti semites isn’t quite the same as sharing a platform with them or otherwise hanging about. Or sharing anti Jew conspiracy stuff.

There absolutely has been people making the most of tiny stuff, but there’s also been a problem with some one the far left and Corbyn himself.
I just wish I could get down to the truth. The subject is full of opinions. And most contradicted each other. Even worse when you include other religions.

I ended up feeling sorry for a faction. Then you would feel sorry for the latest faction. And it went on until I was back where I started.

I ended up wishing I had stayed bored at work.
 
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westcountry_skyblue

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I do have a question, are we allowed to find another job while being on furlough? My employers are saying no but I know of other companies that are allowing staff to work elsewhere.
Its up to your employer to say yes or no,I’ve checked this out on Gov.uk
 

Ian1779

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Don't get me wrong. There is an issue with some people on the left.
I've often heard people make a legitimate criticism of Israel and follow it up with a trope or some global conspiracy bollocks
This is where there needs to be education to stop ignorance. There are anti-semitic tropes ingrained into our society through popular culture - people need to know what these are and why they are wrong.

As you said in an earlier post - it has to be called out CONSITENTLY
Rachel Reeves’ love in for an anti-Semite - unchallenged
George Osbourne’s anti-semitic trope in a Standard cartoon this week - unchallenged

Because it isn’t consistent it lends even more weight to the alterior motives behind it.
 

Astute

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I do have a question, are we allowed to find another job while being on furlough? My employers are saying no but I know of other companies that are allowing staff to work elsewhere.
You are always free to find another job. But your contract as well as lockdown will say when you can start it.
 

Ian1779

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Come on. Praising the first woman in parliament who happened to be an antisemite at a time where most people were anti semites isn’t quite the same as sharing a platform with them or otherwise hanging about. Or sharing anti Jew conspiracy stuff.

There absolutely has been people making the most of tiny stuff, but there’s also been a problem with some one the far left and Corbyn himself.

Is it worse than ignorantly liking a mural on Facebook? Because that’s where it all began for Corbyn.
 

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