Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (146 Viewers)

[djr8369]

This is like two people comparing underwear after shitting themselves

The government has not shit itself it is just following the science which is mixed on the effectiveness of toilets.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

The government has not shit itself it is just following the science which is mixed on the effectiveness of toilets.

We’re doing better than France because they had diarrhoea and it went everywhere but we had a solid Yule log and haven’t sat down yet so time to scrape it out into the bog

 

[skybluetony176]

I see the latest right wing conspiracy is that Bill Gates done it. It’s gaining traction with Trump supporters too.

 

[Johnnythespider]

tbf, as previously mentioned, what he stood on was surprisingly left wing. I expected more moderate although tbf, it just shows what happens when a man wears a suit, they're perceived as being centre or right leaning!

I'm giving him a chance, we'll see how it pans out over the next 5 years

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'm giving him a chance, we'll see how it pans out over the next 5 years

I predict:

Tories 350-400
Labour 200-250
SNP 30-50
LD 0-20

 

[djr8369]

Looking at this infographic from a Mail online article and it looks like it is based on the artwork of the board game Pandemic.

 

[Astute]

But Labour lost out to the SNP in Scotland, another left wing party. Arguably more left than Labour is.

Labour lost out in Scotland to.a Scottish party. Not said anything differently but of course some will make out I have. Nothing to do with left, right or down the middle.

My comment was all about Labour having to make up the difference in the rest of the UK.

 

[Astute]

I'm giving him a chance, we'll see how it pans out over the next 5 years

We will know well within 5 years. We will know within 5 months. Should we not say anything if we think he is useless at being leader for the next 5 years?

 

[tisza]

would have thought the next election will still be about Brexit.
Either the country "survives" it and moves forward then it'll be a Tory win.
It's not worked out and Labour will be promising to fix it (and win)

 

[Astute]

would have thought the next election will still be about Brexit.
Either the country "survives" it and moves forward then it'll be a Tory win.
It's not worked out and Labour will be promising to fix it (and win)

We are about to have a worldwide recession. Nobody knows what will happen in the next 12 months.

If we do badly but the EU manages to recover there will be calls to rejoin. If we recover but the EU does badly it won't be seen as a choice to take.

 

[Astute]

In fairness Astute I don't think policies make a dammed bit of difference these days. It's all personality, perception and framing.

Which is what I kept saying last year. But I was wrong then.

Policies that worry people makes a difference. No policies doesn't worry the majority. The world has gone mad.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Which is what I kept saying last year. But I was wrong then.

Policies that worry people makes a difference. No policies doesn't worry the majority. The world has gone mad.

The Tory manifesto of 2017 contained promises to not pay nurses and teachers properly

 

[Ian1779]

You're just a one eyed arsehole. It's the likes of you that labour need to rid itself of. Maybe then the labour party will appeal to the normal every day man in the street and not arrogant cocks like you.

If you think I’m the problem with Labour then you’re even thicker than I thought. Loving Brexit and wanting to drown migrants doesn’t make you working class - it makes you an arsehole.

 

[clint van damme]

In fairness to Starmer even his very even handed comment that now isn't a time for political point scoring but the government needs to be held to account was reported out of context and described as political point scoring. Presumably he is trying to walk a very fine line. The tories have incredible levels of loyalty from a large portion of the nation due to Brexit of the creative use of propaganda and it is going to be very difficult for labour to start to eat away at that. It certainly won't happen by being heavy handed while everyone is on edge and Johnson's ratings are going up even though we are one of the hardest hit and worse prepared countries.

I totally disagree. We've tried the civil discourse under Corbyn it doesn't work.
We also seen Piers Morgan reach new levels of popularity since launching his daily attacks on the government. People want them held to account, even Michael Gove said they should be scrutinised.

 

[clint van damme]

Which is what I kept saying last year. But I was wrong then.

Policies that worry people makes a difference. No policies doesn't worry the majority. The world has gone mad.

so you must be worried about Starmer then as there's not a lot of difference between what he's pledged and the 2019 manifesto.
Unless you think the offer of free broadband was the big issue of the election.

 

[bezzer]

So I assume therefore you want ambulances, police and fire services to be removed from public funding and run solely on donations from the public and manned by volunteers like the RNLI, mountain rescue and air ambulance are?

Have you been drinking? Your reply make no sense at all.

I want the blue light services to be fully funded, unlike they are now.

And I'm more than happy to let the RNLI to remain as a very successful charity.

I hope that clears things up for you :emoji_thumbsup:

 

[djr8369]

I totally disagree. We've tried the civil discourse under Corbyn it doesn't work.
We also seen Piers Morgan reach new levels of popularity since launching his daily attacks on the government. People want them held to account, even Michael Gove said they should be scrutinised.

Maybe you're right and some harsh criticism will cut through but it's objectively correct that Starmer has been criticised for what he has said. I assume he is trying to take the middle ground, whether or not that will be wise long term I do not know. I agree with you regarding civil discourse not working, at least for Corbyn, but then it was too easy to attack Corbyn and he wasn't good enough at PMQ's to say that is a strategy that cannot work for somebody else.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I see the latest right wing conspiracy is that Bill Gates done it.

tbf, Piers Corbyn was saying that weeks ago!

(I have no idea what his politics are!)

 

[The coventrian]

*their
*you're

Sorry but I didn't have a middle class uni education like you

 

[The coventrian]

And you'll carry on clapping the NHS on your doorstep.

Why would I do that? Not interested in Facebook likes.

 

[The coventrian]

You’re not neutral though, you’ve admitted you’re anti-Labour. I just pointed out that if you’re honest you can’t explain why. “Anti working class” is clearly bollocks. At best you mean “pro immigrant”.

Come on, prove me wrong. What Labour policies are anti working class and what Tory ones aren’t?

If you’ve paid any attention at all to my ranting about Labour you’ll know the last thing I want is to carry on as we are, but that doesn’t mean not calling our pure bollocks when I see it.

I don’t give a fuck who you vote for mate, but I’ll keep calling it how I see it no matter how many of you snowflakes start crying.

Edit: hang the fuck on. You keep boasting about how minted you are and what a massive house you live in. Why do you give a fuck about the working class? You’re clearly not one of them.

How can you say I'm not working class whilst sitting in your uni educated bubble.
I'm not minted. Yes I'm proud of what I've got after leaving school with not one qualification. You just carry on sneering with your middle class uni education and we'll just keep voting the other way. And where did I say I'm anti labour? Anti leftie labour yes. I've voted labour in the past.

 

[clint van damme]

tbf, Piers Corbyn was saying that weeks ago!

(I have no idea what his politics are!)

is that how it works when you're one of the richest men on the planet?
You spend a large chunk of your personal wealth setting up a foundation to fight dangerous, contagious diseases, then one day you get bored so say, you know what, i'm not going to fight contagion anymore, I'm gong to start a global pandemic!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

How can you say I'm not working class whilst sitting in your uni educated bubble.
I'm not minted. Yes I'm proud of what I've got after leaving school with not one qualification. You just carry on sneering with your middle class uni education and we'll just keep voting the other way.

Why can't you be working class and university educated?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

is that how it works when you're one of the richest men on the planet?
You spend a large chunk of your personal wealth setting up a foundation to fight dangerous, contagious diseases, then one day you get bored so say, you know what, i'm not going to fight contagion anymore, I'm gong to start a global pandemic!

You're clearly not watching the right documentaries. Check out the stuff by James Bond, he exposes all kinds of things like this.

 

[clint van damme]

You're clearly not watching the right documentaries. Check out the stuff by James Bond, he exposes all kinds of things like this.

I'm going to have to now, I've a feeling I'll regret it.

 

[The coventrian]

You're definitely a floater alright

Ok middle class spoiled brat. Did you enjoy your skiing holidays when you were at school with mummy and daddy whilst the rest of us had to make do with nothing?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I'm going to have to now, I've a feeling I'll regret it.

 

[clint van damme]

How can you say I'm not working class whilst sitting in your uni educated bubble.
I'm not minted. Yes I'm proud of what I've got after leaving school with not one qualification. You just carry on sneering with your middle class uni education and we'll just keep voting the other way. And where did I say I'm anti labour? Anti leftie labour yes. I've voted labour in the past.

so as a protest against the bubble of the middle class, university educated you're going to vote for those in the bubble of fabulous wealth, private school, elite university education?

 

[The coventrian]

If you think I’m the problem with Labour then you’re even thicker than I thought. Loving Brexit and wanting to drown migrants doesn’t make you working class - it makes you an arsehole.

Is that the best you've got? A,I never voted Brexit,B,I never said about drowning migrants. I basically said what a lot of people think when they see them illegally trying to enter the country which was just shoot the fucking boat. Wtf do you know about working class? Fuck all. Your party is a fucking joke cos it's been hijacked by divs like you.

 

[skybluetony176]

tbf, Piers Corbyn was saying that weeks ago!

(I have no idea what his politics are!)

The gist of it from what I can see is he’s been publicly critical of Trumps handling of the Coronavirus which has made him a target, then clearly the brains of the bunch has found on old speech that Gates did after swine flu saying that the biggest threat to the world isn’t all out nuclear war but a pandemic with more serious effects than swine flu. Which clearly means that Bill Gates had Covid 19 made in a lab and released it deliberately so he can take over the health care system globally to become a billionaire. Other than that Gates believes in a plant based diet to save the environment so clearly he’s also a communist, gay and possibly Chinese and if not he should be. He’d probably rather live in Italy too.

 

[Ian1779]

Why can't you be working class and university educated?

Shall I send my degree back now as I clearly am not allowed to have it.

 

[clint van damme]

oh right, there's not a alt right documentary maker called James Bond?!! Though there's plenty of similarly titled lunatics on Youtube pushing such nonsense, (and a good number of extreme left wing as well).

 

[shmmeee]

Sorry but I didn't have a middle class uni education like you

Sorry mate you can’t play the “my council tax is more than your rent” card and the “I’m just a lowly working class person not like you middle class people” card at the same time.

Like it or not you’re clearly solidly middle class now.

 

[The coventrian]

so as a protest against the bubble of the middle class, university educated you're going to vote for those in the bubble of fabulous wealth, private school, elite university education?

What other alternative is there. We dont want a left wing labour government in charge. The majority of the country dont. Only those who are left wing and staunch labour cant see the problem.

 

[The coventrian]

Sorry mate you can’t play the “my council tax is more than your rent” card and the “I’m just a lowly working class person not like you middle class people” card at the same time.

Like it or not you’re clearly solidly middle class now.

Oh well the same as the majority of labour supporters then.