Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (27 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

Astute says he’d never vote anything but labour but can’t bring himself to vote at all. What is causing that?

He said he would vote for Starmer.
From what I can make out Corbyns free broadband plan was a deal breaker!

 

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[Grendel]

No of course they should want to appeal to him and gain his vote. But equally Coventrian is happy to champion a group of people that will make HIS LIFE WORSE - and he bemoans anyone that may try and offer a way forward as some kind of lunatic fringe. Not because he actually has looked at the detail to make this informed decision, but because he’s bought some shitty tag line fed to him...

And if he has done so he could at any point share one piece of that wisdom..... just one....

How do you know they will make his life worse?

 

[Ian1779]

How do you know they will make his life worse?

That will depend on whether he’s working class or middle class.... he seems to glaze between the two depending on the conversation.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Is this true that they’re now asking people to treat coronavirus patients with no gowns?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

That will depend on whether he’s working class or middle class.... he seems to glaze between the two depending on the conversation.

that’s true actually, he’s whatever he feels like being depending on what point he wants to prove and who he wants to take his pentup frustrations out on during that particular day

 

[clint van damme]

Is this true that they’re now asking people to treat coronavirus patients with no gowns?

Yes. But when they do get one, probably in May, it will be designer.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Yes. But when they do get one, probably in May, it will be designer.

My god, and I take it Boris is still taking it easy, completely unable to communicate while Hancock tries to flog badges.

It feels like they have genuinely lost control of this now and are just floundering from one day to the next hoping the social distancing works eventually

 

[clint van damme]

My god, and I take it Boris is still taking it easy, completely unable to communicate while Hancock tries to flog badges.

It feels like they have genuinely lost control of this now and are just floundering from one day to the next hoping the social distancing works eventually

It's hard to draw any other conclusion.

 

[Astute]

This is going to blow your mind:

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Even the most right wing voters in this country are centre left. And only getting more so.

You don’t want left-wing but can’t even define it....

Wanting left but knowing we need to be closer to the middle is what is needed to win an election.

 

[Grendel]

That will depend on whether he’s working class or middle class.... he seems to glaze between the two depending on the conversation.

Or perhaps under Tories he’s someone whose demonstrated hard work is rewarded and his managed to improve his commercial wealth and lifestyle

I assume a vote for labour is a vote for personal wealth improvement and not a race to the bottom?

Would you want 16 year old working class school leavers to aspire to live in half million property and a very comfortable life style. A vote for labour has to offer that opportunity doesn’t it?

 

[Ian1779]

Wanting left but knowing we need to be closer to the middle is what is needed to win an election.

Either way - still not a single actual reason as to why he hates lefties and their policy. And you wonder why this country is in the shit it’s in?

 

[Ian1779]

Or perhaps under Tories he’s someone whose demonstrated hard work is rewarded and his managed to improve his commercial wealth and lifestyle

I assume a vote for labour is a vote for personal wealth improvement and not a race to the bottom?

Would you want 16 year old working class school leavers to aspire to live in half million property and a very comfortable life style. A vote for labour has to offer that opportunity doesn’t it?

I’d prefer the 16 year old not to have half starved to death on their way there.... or do you call that character building?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

It's hard to draw any other conclusion.

This is the worst “leadership” this country has had in a century, perhaps even longer. They’re either in hiding, making gaffe after blunder & telling lies, and collectively they’re responsible for people dying. They are unfit to be in employment let alone be in government.

 

[skybluetony176]

Or perhaps under Tories he’s someone whose demonstrated hard work is rewarded and his managed to improve his commercial wealth and lifestyle

I assume a vote for labour is a vote for personal wealth improvement and not a race to the bottom?

Would you want 16 year old working class school leavers to aspire to live in half million property and a very comfortable life style. A vote for labour has to offer that opportunity doesn’t it?

As always, spoken like someone who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing. You’re a very empty person.

 

[Ian1779]

This is the worst “leadership” this country has had in a century, perhaps even longer. They’re either in hiding, making gaffe after blunder & telling lies, and collectively they’re responsible for people dying. They are unfit to be in employment let alone be in government.

But it’s OK because we can’t have the lefties in charge.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

But it’s OK because we can’t have the lefties in charge.

that side of it is beyond my knowledge, but fuck me who in their right mind would vote for these people? If you did vote for them then you got mugged, you’ve been made to look pretty stupid. They can’t even keep their own citizens alive.

 

[Astute]

He said he would vote for Starmer.
From what I can make out Corbyns free broadband plan was a deal breaker!

Not what I said.

I said give him a chance. Wait to see what he does when he gets a proper chance. If he is useless then look to replace him although I don't know who with.

Whatever happens he can't be worse than Corbyn........

 

[Astute]

Either way - still not a single actual reason as to why he hates lefties and their policy. And you wonder why this country is in the shit it’s in?

I don't wonder why. But many don't like the truth.

Hard left is wanted by many. Hard left took over the Labour party. You won't get anywhere being hard left. It gives the Tories the freedom to do as they wish.

So the same question that nobody likes to answer. When was the last left leaning Labour government?

 

[Astute]

But it’s OK because we can’t have the lefties in charge.

You can have the lefties in charge. But it won't win a GE.

 

[Ian1779]

I don't wonder why. But many don't like the truth.

Hard left is wanted by many. Hard left took over the Labour party. You won't get anywhere being hard left. It gives the Tories the freedom to do as they wish.

So the same question that nobody likes to answer. When was the last left leaning Labour government?

It wasn’t hard left... it’s barely left of centre when you look at lots of other countries. Our country has been dragged so far right that anything that involves sharing is seen as communism.

The thing is you know that as well... so tell me why the LD’s didn’t walk the election with their centre ground?

 

[clint van damme]

Or perhaps under Tories he’s someone whose demonstrated hard work is rewarded and his managed to improve his commercial wealth and lifestyle

I assume a vote for labour is a vote for personal wealth improvement and not a race to the bottom?

Would you want 16 year old working class school leavers to aspire to live in half million property and a very comfortable life style. A vote for labour has to offer that opportunity doesn’t it?

Then why would he be happy to support a system that sees him pay his fair share in taxes but is skewed to allow individuals and corporation's pay fuck all and squirrel everything away off shore

Or perhaps under Tories he’s someone whose demonstrated hard work is rewarded and his managed to improve his commercial wealth and lifestyle

I assume a vote for labour is a vote for personal wealth improvement and not a race to the bottom?

Would you want 16 year old working class school leavers to aspire to live in half million property and a very comfortable life style. A vote for labour has to offer that opportunity doesn’t it?

So why vote for a party which has overseen the longest period of wage stagnation for generations while simultaneously skewing the tax system in favour of the ultra wealthy?

That's not rewarding the hard graft of the working class.

 

[Astute]

It wasn’t hard left... it’s barely left of centre when you look at lots of other countries. Our country has been dragged so far right that anything that involves sharing is seen as communism.

The thing is you know that as well... so tell me why the LD’s didn’t walk the election with their centre ground?

Have you forgotten that they jumped into bed with the Tories already?

So being what the UK considers to be hard left isn't a problem to voters because of countries like who?

 

[Astute]

Then why would he be happy to support a system that sees him pay his fair share in taxes but is skewed to allow individuals and corporation's pay fuck all and squirrel everything away off shore


So why vote for a party which has overseen the longest period of wage stagnation for generations while simultaneously skewing the tax system in favour of the ultra wealthy?

That's not rewarding the hard graft of the working class.

Just shows how crap the opposition parties were.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Who'd want to be a medic when the gov sticks its fingers up at you like this:

Well that’s illegal

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Why no French figures??

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

New positives in Italy: 355 - very good because out of 65,000 tests done in last 24 hours
Deaths: 575
Recovered:2563
Big falls of those in intensive care

Great news mate, hopefully it continues next week

 

[Ian1779]

Have you forgotten that they jumped into bed with the Tories already?

So being what the UK considers to be hard left isn't a problem to voters because of countries like who?

The media span it as hard left - Labour failed to challenge that narrative so it became fact... it was nothing of the sort.

 

[Astute]

The media span it as hard left - Labour failed to challenge that narrative so it became fact... it was nothing of the sort.

OK.

People know what they are willing to vote for. They don't wait to be told who is left and who is right.

As I keep saying people are quick to say they are willing to pay more tax. But in real life many want tax cuts. Others are scared of spending going out of control.

This isn't left or right. It is reality.

 

[Ian1779]

OK.

People know what they are willing to vote for. They don't wait to be told who is left and who is right.

As I keep saying people are quick to say they are willing to pay more tax. But in real life many want tax cuts. Others are scared of spending going out of control.

This isn't left or right. It is reality.

So not hard left then... thanks for agreeing.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Or perhaps under Tories he’s someone whose demonstrated hard work is rewarded and his managed to improve his commercial wealth and lifestyle

I assume a vote for labour is a vote for personal wealth improvement and not a race to the bottom?

Would you want 16 year old working class school leavers to aspire to live in half million property and a very comfortable life style. A vote for labour has to offer that opportunity doesn’t it?

Hard work is 'rewarded' with a pittance compared to what the wealthy get - it's just about making sure they don't get to see the inequality. Do you think bankers etc work harder than someone working twelve hour shifts/two jobs/every hour god sends on building their business for a 'comfortable' lifestyle?

How many young people now own a house at all? It can offer the aspiration all it likes, but fact is less and less people are even getting on the ladder because all the housing stock was sold off and is increasingly in the hands of wealthy people renting it to them for a tidy profit and then getting the benefit of the property price increases as demand increasingly outstrips supply. And it's only getting worse.

Perhaps you really ought to get off the fixation that wealth is the be all and end all. Would you accept a small increase in pay for someone to fill your lungs with toxic fumes?Cos apparently that's all that matters. I'll pay you a million quid to live in an airtight box without food and water. If you want I'll give you air, food and water but as I'm in control of the supply I'll be setting the prices.

 

[Grendel]

The media span it as hard left - Labour failed to challenge that narrative so it became fact... it was nothing of the sort.

How did Corbyn attract over 40% of the vote in 2017?

 

[Ian1779]

How did Corbyn attract over 40% of the vote in 2017?

Because he was written off as ‘useless’ before 2017 - it was only after that they want after media in the acerbic manner they did.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Do you think the Coventrian - who is own admission a person who has little formal. Education and from traditional labour stock - someone labour need to appeal to going forward or are labour too superior to want his vote?

I don't know how you appeal to someone who has literally argued in favour of drowning immigrants

 

[Grendel]

Hard work is 'rewarded' with a pittance compared to what the wealthy get - it's just about making sure they don't get to see the inequality. Do you think bankers etc work harder than someone working twelve hour shifts/two jobs/every hour god sends on building their business for a 'comfortable' lifestyle?

How many young people now own a house at all? It can offer the aspiration all it likes, but fact is less and less people are even getting on the ladder because all the housing stock was sold off and is increasingly in the hands of wealthy people renting it to them for a tidy profit and then getting the benefit of the property price increases as demand increasingly outstrips supply. And it's only getting worse.

Perhaps you really ought to get off the fixation that wealth is the be all and end all. Would you accept a small increase in pay for someone to fill your lungs with toxic fumes?Cos apparently that's all that matters. I'll pay you a million quid to live in an airtight box without food and water. If you want I'll give you air, food and water but as I'm in control of the supply I'll be setting the prices.

My daughter earns £25 grand a year lives in a rented house drives a new car and has saved enough for a deposit on a house - get your chip off your shoulder

Oh and a friend of my younger daughter has just bought a house

 

[Grendel]

Because he was written off as ‘useless’ before 2017 - it was only after that they want after media in the acerbic manner they did.

Just listen how absurd you sound