Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (12 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Doesn't she want good health, clean air or decent services and infrastructure?

Why would that be better under Labour? Clean air? What services?

 

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[Astute]

It did indeed .

I know very well. Bought a house for 26k in 1997. Sold it for 33.5k in 2002. Bought a house for 61k. Sold it in 2009 for 128k. Bought for 150k and sold 18 months later for 175k.

And during this time our pensions got decimated.

But the normal thing we hear is the last generation had it so good. And this is from the most left wing of Labour.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Why would that be better under Labour? Clean air? What services?

Police for one

 

[Grendel]

I would be voting for them regardless brah

you wouldn’t

 

[Ian1779]

Just listen how absurd you sound

Says the master of absurdity and deflection.

 

[Ian1779]

I know very well. Bought a house for 26k in 1997. Sold it for 33.5k in 2002. Bought a house for 61k. Sold it in 2009 for 128k. Bought for 150k and sold 18 months later for 175k.

And during this time our pensions got decimated.

But the normal thing we hear is the last generation had it so good. And this is from the most left wing of Labour.

Really? Which prominent lefties are saying that?

 

[Grendel]

I was talking about your daughter - asking was this house you daughter's buying the £500k house you talked of young people aspiring too? And why are you turning down the chance to be rich? All you've got to do is go without poxy over-rated air, food and water but what are they compared to money?

I talked about the Coventrian living in a £500k house - are you drunk?

 

[Grendel]

Says the master of absurdity and deflection.

Keep losing elections Ian

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

you wouldn’t

I believe that society as a whole benefits from social democracy and the Tories don't stand for that

 

[Astute]

Millennials have been let down by neoliberals and conservatives alike. The 2017 manifesto was the sweet spot

But you love to blame the Tories for everything. When I say the last Labour government were Tories in disguise the excuses come out.

I would prefer to still have 30k houses for families to live in. I would prefer final salary pensions like we used to have. Not going to make excuses for what happened. But many don't like the truth.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But you love to blame the Tories for everything. When I say the last Labour government were Tories in disguise the excuses come out.

I would prefer to still have 30k houses for families to live in. I would prefer final salary pensions like we used to have. Not going to make excuses for what happened. But many don't like the truth.

The Tories have been in for a decade, most of what is bad now is a reflection of their governance is it not? I have said many times that neoliberals have much to answer for-but they have not been in office since 2010

 

[Astute]

Really? Which prominent lefties are saying that?

Some admit they are. Others are so obvious that they are.

They praised Corbyn when the rest of the world could see what was going to happen. Now the same people rip into Starmer when he has only just taken over.

 

[Astute]

The Tories have been in for a decade, most of what is bad now is a reflection of their governance is it not? I have said many times that neoliberals have much to answer for-but they have not been in office since 2010

The biggest changes that you keep mentioning were under the Labour years. Yet you make out it was the Tories.

And the get out clause has always been the Tories have been in for ... amount of years.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The biggest changes that you keep mentioning were under the Labour years. Yet you make out it was the Tories.

And the get out clause has always been the Tories have been in for ... amount of years.

In the last 40 years Labour have been in for just 13 of them dude and I keep saying neoliberalism hasn't helped my generation much either

Though to be fair they haven't made my job harder every year unlike the blue guys

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I talked about the Coventrian living in a £500k house - are you drunk?

Speaking of him how should Labour get his support when he wants to drown immigrants?

 

[Astute]

In the last 40 years Labour have been in for just 13 of them dude and I keep saying neoliberalism hasn't helped my generation much either

Though to be fair they haven't made my job harder every year unlike the blue guys

I am not a Tory and never will be.

And you have said it yourself here. In the last 40 years or so there has not been a left wing Labour government. Yet many push for a left wing Labour party.

That is why I say make the choice. Left wing Labour party or go closer to centre and have a chance of winning a GE.

This isn't me pushing for the centre. It is me being realistic on what is needed if we are to have a Labour government.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I am not a Tory and never will be.

And you have said it yourself here. In the last 40 years or so there has not been a left wing Labour government. Yet many push for a left wing Labour party.

That is why I say make the choice. Left wing Labour party or go closer to centre and have a chance of winning a GE.

This isn't me pushing for the centre. It is me being realistic on what is needed if we are to have a Labour government.

The 2017 manifesto was a strong one and couldn't really have been argued as some Marxist fantasy. Can you explain to me what makes the Tories centrist? Really, because I genuinely want to know why the perception exists

 

[Ring Of Steel]

We've never had it so good wait what we're the first generation to be worse off than the one before.

Also the first to have a shorter life expectancy than the last

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Millennials have been let down by neoliberals and conservatives alike. The 2017 manifesto was the sweet spot

I also don’t see how it can even be up for debate that in many areas the younger generations have been totally fucked over by the older generations.

 

[Johhny Blue]

But who's better, Shipley or Bayliss?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Also the first to have a shorter life expectancy than the last

In my lifetime we have had:

Prolonged and failed wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria with a disastrous intervention in Libya
Global financial crisis when most of us were leaving school and from which recovery was slower than the 1929 Depression
A decade of austerity
Brexit and that's nowhere near done yet
Coronavirus pandemic likely triggering a second recession

The economic consequences of this are very well publicised but fortunate boomers on here and elsewhere don't quite get it. Renting is a habit for the vast majority and there is no longer such thing as a job for life or at the current rate of change permanent jobs themselves are an oddity. Luckily it seems like Generation Z are of similar mindset

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I talked about the Coventrian living in a £500k house - are you drunk?

jesus- things, stuff, possessions, self absorption, me, mine, accumulating, consuming, working harder to buy more, take on more debt to buy more, taking lots of selfies on the way, then dying without really having done much apart from ‘perpetuating the cycle’. I don’t claim to have any answers for anyone (apart from maybe emigrate) but that sounds like a shit life to be aiming for.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

But who's better, Shipley or Bayliss?

shipley for sure, and better haircut too

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But who's better, Shipley or Bayliss?

Next season we'll find out

 

[Ring Of Steel]

In my lifetime we have had:

Prolonged and failed wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria with a disastrous intervention in Libya
Global financial crisis when most of us were leaving school and from which recovery was slower than the 1929 Depression
A decade of austerity
Brexit and that's nowhere near done yet
Coronavirus pandemic likely triggering a second recession

The economic consequences of this are very well publicised but fortunate boomers on here and elsewhere don't quite get it. Renting is a habit for the vast majority and there is no longer such thing as a job for life or at the current rate of change permanent jobs themselves are an oddity. Luckily it seems like Generation Z are of similar mindset

I agree- one of the things I try to teach my kids is that you do not need to live the life you’re told to in order to be content and secure, and work like an idiot just to conform. I have high hopes for the next generations, from what I can tell they ridicule some of the older lot even more than we did when we were their age.

 

[Grendel]

jesus- things, stuff, possessions, self absorption, me, mine, accumulating, consuming, working harder to buy more, take on more debt to buy more, taking lots of selfies on the way, then dying without really having done much apart from ‘perpetuating the cycle. I don’t claim to have any answers for anyone but that sounds like a shit life to be aiming for.

The notion voting for a parasite like Corbyn would improve your life is beyond comprehension.

 

[Grendel]

I agree- one of the things I try to teach my kids is that you do not need to live the life you’re told to in order to be content and secure, and work like an idiot just to conform. I have high hopes for the next generations, from what I can tell they ridicule some of the older lot even more than we did when we were their age.

Both of you are of course very middle class and privately educated

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Both of you are of course very middle class and privately educated

I didn't choose my education G, but I can choose what I do with it

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The notion voting for a parasite like Corbyn would improve your life is beyond comprehension.

I still want to know how you think we can win over Coventrian

 

[Ring Of Steel]

The notion voting for a parasite like Corbyn would improve your life is beyond comprehension.

I am not disagreeing with you- anything I say on here on this topic is qualified by the fact that I am not a political person, and I don’t have the political knowledge that you lot clearly do. I hate ‘the system’ and I do completely agree that our kids are walking into a world that has been completely fucked up by those that came before.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Both of you are of course very middle class and privately educated

I grew up between Kenilworth Road and Deedmore Road, went to Henrys but it was a bursary, and I didn’t get on too well there, and got my best ever results at The Butts (which was a different universe) while getting the fees paid as I was signing on. I really don’t mind what ‘class’ I am- if it is so important to have a label- but I certainly have no preference, I don’t know what class you’d slot me into. But I guess the key point is... does that matter? Does your perception of what class someone is impact the validity of their opinion? Gotta tell you, that’s a very ‘old boy’ way to view the world. One of the reasons I like it here is that all the social class stuff just doesn’t exist in the way it does there.

anyway, I get a bit lost when it comes to the politics, but I do know that we live in a messed up world and it’s not looking great unless the generations to come change something.

 

[Johhny Blue]

jesus- things, stuff, possessions, self absorption, me, mine, accumulating, consuming, working harder to buy more, take on more debt to buy more, taking lots of selfies on the way, then dying without really having done much apart from ‘perpetuating the cycle’. I don’t claim to have any answers for anyone (apart from maybe emigrate) but that sounds like a shit life to be aiming for.

I agree with the emigration suggestion. Except for Saturdays and the odd Tuesday

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I still want to know how you think we can win over Coventrian

Get him Katie Hopkins’ autograph maybe

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I agree with the emigration suggestion. Except for Saturdays and the odd Tuesday

I hear ya. Also St Patrick’s Day, that’s a great day to get out of dodge

 

[Johhny Blue]

I agree with the emigration suggestion. Except for Saturdays and the odd Tuesday

…...and the fact that I still have over a foot of snow outside