Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (118 Viewers)

Astute

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What have I said that’s false about labour? I said the brown and Blair years were some of the best in domestic policy - you thought it wasn’t for some reason and never seem to vote labour at all
Your latest one is you have only mentioned Labour once now. You are frequently caught out giving false information.
 

Grendel

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Your latest one is you have only mentioned Labour once now. You are frequently caught out giving false information.

No answer then - whatever
 

Astute

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No answer then - whatever
No answer?

I can give a list of what was wrong like selling off our gold reserves at rock bottom price, decimating final salary pensions and going to war on a lie. But I'm not interested in getting involved in a debate with you because you don't have debates. You just chat shite.
 

Grendel

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No answer?

I can give a list of what was wrong like selling off our gold reserves at rock bottom price, decimating final salary pensions and going to war on a lie. But I'm not interested in getting involved in a debate with you because you don't have debates. You just chat shite.

You don’t want a debate with anyone - you just act like a petulant child. You are a labour man whose never it seems voted labour in a GE it’s just absurd
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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And then read some of the comments here
around timelines, scientific advice etc to show you should try to retain a balanced view and not necessarily jump to the conclusions based on headlines

أبو عمّار (@MaajidNawaz) on Twitter

As I say, this isn’t a defence of the government (he’s a Lib Dem) it’s a defence of facts


Well said Maajid Nawaz, excellent journalism speaks the truth.
 

clint van damme

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Even if we ease up on the lockdown in the next couple of months I’m sure that I’m not alone in the mindset that I won’t fully relax until there’s a vaccine out there that’s readily available for everyone

Haha! Even outsiders who only came on to appeal on behalf of their club get dragged into the political shit!
Get out now mate while you still can!
 

Astute

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You don’t want a debate with anyone - you just act like a petulant child. You are a labour man whose never it seems voted labour in a GE it’s just absurd
Yeah OK.

Would prefer to debate with someone who has working brain cells. So that counts you out.
 

Gazolba

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Fake news in USA:
 

shmmeee

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I hope that a reliable antibody test can at least ensure a return to work for some

It wouldn’t. Even at 95% specificity it’d leave too many false positives when done at scale.

Best estimates are <10% of the population have been infected already, so it’s needle in a haystack finding them.

I think maybe age or industry related returns. But I think the idea of antibody passports is fanciful.

Aside from anything else the economy is going to be so depressed through caution and lack of an entertainment industry and all that supports it that many businesses are better off carrying on furlough until a vaccine than trying to open up again and probably going to the wall through lack of business.
 

tisza

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So we've furloughs etc. here in Hungary.
"Non-essential" businesses going bust
Hungarians generally don't have savings or credit cards so things pinching after 5 weeks. Most live pay cheque to paycheque - utility bills etc. still coming in (here 60 days to settle or you're disconnected - no ifs or buts)


So now the MPs take a 11.4% pay increase!!!
 

skybluetony176

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So we've furloughs etc. here in Hungary.
"Non-essential" businesses going bust
Hungarians generally don't have savings or credit cards so things pinching after 5 weeks. Most live pay cheque to paycheque - utility bills etc. still coming in (here 60 days to settle or you're disconnected - no ifs or buts)


So now the MPs take a 11.4% pay increase!!!
A populist right wing government not in it for the people? Who could possibly have seen that coming?
 

wingy

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So we've furloughs etc. here in Hungary.
"Non-essential" businesses going bust
Hungarians generally don't have savings or credit cards so things pinching after 5 weeks. Most live pay cheque to paycheque - utility bills etc. still coming in (here 60 days to settle or you're disconnected - no ifs or buts)


So now the MPs take a 11.4% pay increase!!!
Has the response got the disease under control?
Seems low from the outside.
 

tisza

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Has the response got the disease under control?
Seems low from the outside.
we have strange official numbers and no-one is allowed to question govt or medical people under the new laws here!!

Many cases not registered as people just told to self-quarantine and only getting tested if symptoms seriously deteriorate after a week. Get a red sticker for the front door and police check them daily. Big fines if not following the rules.

Normalize our fatalities against UK population (times by 7) and it's around 120-140 deaths per day in hospitals and around 1400 infected in hospital. Think around 70% of cases in the Budapest metropolitan area - not many other large towns or cities here.

Big problem now in care homes.

But like rest of Eastern Europe we went into controlled lockdowns (that police are enforcing) very early because these countries knew there was no chance of health systems handling the level of outbreaks that were happening in Western Europe. Many of our doctors and nurses work in Germany and Austria (same with Czech and Polish doctors and nurses) or in private practice for West European health tourists. 2 Austrian regions had to "force" Hungarians to stay as they made up over 30% of their medical and care home staff according to our national press

We are 3-4 weeks behind UK but people here take the self-quarantining and social distancing far more seriously than UK population seemed to. (also more households here have elderly relatives living with them so more careful).

The daily briefings here are given by Chief Medical officer (flanked by uniformed police and border guard representatives), Gives a far more "unwritten" threat than watching the likes of Gove, Raab etc. :)

Forgot to mention that for some reason Govt started clearing 36,000 hospital beds last week without a clear reason why (and doctors aren't allowed to tell us why)
 
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