Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (118 Viewers)

[SkyBlueDom26]

Yes, as soon as they work out how to combine bleach & rat poison you'll see it in Target right next to the anti COVID automatic weapons.

Shut up you stupid twat, complete embarrassment with comments irrelevant to the point

Always trying to be a smart arse ain’t ya

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

If he does then why is he saying that he won’t.

Machismo. Or his God-complex makes him think he's invulnerable.

 

[David O'Day]

Funded 10k for going out in public without a mask? That's country I need to get to asap.

So you now have to pick on a typo because you were caught out lying.

Shame on you

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[SkyBlueCRJ]

So you now have to pick on a typo because you were caught out lying.

Shame on you

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Can you send me a link to how I can get funding for not wearing a face mask?

Wait....you weren't lYiNg were you?

 

[David O'Day]

But at no point did the science say herd mentality was a good idea - that was an ideological idea that was tried to be pushed on them to agree to. We lost a lot of time for that.

Neither have they ever said PPE was useless. Again that was political spin because we'd not stockpiled enough even though we'd been told to years before. So again a political failing that they've tried to push onto health professionals.

Remember when grenners tried to say an oxbridge virologist had said face masks didn't work so they NHS didn't need them? Remember when it turned out said doctors was referring to his opinion on the public wearing them?

Gold

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[David O'Day]

Can you send me a link to how I can get funding for not wearing a face mask?

Wait....you weren't lYiNg were you?

No it was a typo, can you please show me a link that shows that you can get fined 10k for not wearing a mask in public?

Don't claim that being fined for certain actions is the same as being fined for not wearing a mask in public.

I said you were lying so prove me wrong.

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[Ian1779]

Johnson returns and first thing he announces is we're past the peak.....

Who'd av thunk it?

They're still pushing that Jesus analogy...

 

[skybluetony176]

What this has shown is that the way we structure economics it cannot adapt to change. This makes it a very vulnerable system and we need to take a massive look at this. The first step is to get rid of the utter obsession with economic growth.

It’s a really good point. Climate change kills an estimated 150K+ every year (that’s just the death toll for humans not all species) and rising yet economies around the world or to be more precise the driving force behind them seem reluctant to make the changes needed to combat this death toll. We’re stuck in a rut economically speaking, it’s all about the now and not tomorrow.

 

[shmmeee]

But at no point did the science say herd mentality was a good idea - that was an ideological idea that was tried to be pushed on them to agree to. We lost a lot of time for that.

Neither have they ever said PPE was useless. Again that was political spin because we'd not stockpiled enough even though we'd been told to years before. So again a political failing that they've tried to push onto health professionals.

Brian Cox was spot on. Anyone talking about following “the science” cleary hasn’t a clue what science is.

 

[David O'Day]

For anyone who is interested here is a link to German rules on mask wearing and the associated fines

Germans could be fined up to €10,000 as face mask rules brought in

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s a really good point. Climate change kills an estimated 150K+ every year (that’s just the death toll for humans not all species) and rising yet economies around the world or to be more precise the driving force behind them seem reluctant to make the changes needed to combat this death toll. We’re stuck in a rut economically speaking, it’s all about the now and not tomorrow.

I find it very unfortunate that they argued for austerity on the basis of 'we can't burden the next generation with debt' when the failure to fund anything properly for 10 years is coming home to roost

 

[skybluetony176]

Johnson returns and first thing he announces is we're past the peak.....

Who'd av thunk it?

Past the peak but stuck on a plateau.

 

[David O'Day]

Economic Growth is still needed as if we dont see economic growth then we all get poorer.

The issue is that GDP growth has become tired and rather outdated as a sole indicator of economic prosperity.

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[SkyBlueCRJ]

No it was a typo, can you please show me a link that shows that you can get fined 10k for not wearing a mask in public?

Don't claim that being fined for certain actions is the same as being fined for not wearing a mask in public.

I said you were lying so prove me wrong.

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You were lying weren't you?! Shame on you.

Certain actions......wait for it......in public. Why are you calling it certain actions anyway? Are you trying to prove your point by claiming that public transport and publicly accessible shops don't count as going out in public?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Brian Cox was spot on. Anyone talking about following “the science” cleary hasn’t a clue what science is.

Reminds me of when Gove said we were waiting on 'the chemicals'.

 

[skybluetony176]

I find it very unfortunate that they argued for austerity on the basis of 'we can't burden the next generation with debt' when the failure to fund anything properly for 10 years is coming home to roost

Even without this shit storm there’s little tangible proof that austerity even worked and actually capital investment through borrowing would have stimulated the economy and and had a more positive effect in cutting the debt.

 

[Grendel]

Remember when grenners tried to say an oxbridge virologist had said face masks didn't work so they NHS didn't need them? Remember when it turned out said doctors was referring to his opinion on the public wearing them?

Gold

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Oh dear David are you trying to set a record for the number of lies in a day?

You of course always favoured the alleged strategy on herd immunity didn’t you?

Platinum

 

[Grendel]

For anyone who is interested here is a link to German rules on mask wearing and the associated fines

Germans could be fined up to €10,000 as face mask rules brought in

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No fines in many areas then - cool

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We've got a parliament that couldn't sort out a Withdrawal Agreement for three years and they expect teachers to completely revolutionise their method of teaching (often without having the technical knowledge of how to do it) in a few days. Whilst also continuing to have to do the traditional method for key workers.

My workload now is insane and my school did at least try to prepare people in the basics of how to teach remotely but preparing a lesson takes longer now, chasing people for work who can't be arsed, and trying to mark all the work online means I'm staring at a screen nearly all day. Routinely going to sleep at 2-3 am to try and keep on top of it but yet some school leaders are arguing for a shortened summer holiday. Other half is doing it too so we're snappy and irritable all the time

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Even without this shit storm there’s little tangible proof that austerity even worked and actually capital investment through borrowing would have stimulated the economy and and had a more positive effect in cutting the debt.

They seemed to enjoy it and were obviously told to keep saying 'difficult decision' and 'we're in it together' while attempting to dismantle the public sector as much as possible

 

[David O'Day]

You were lying weren't you?! Shame on you.

Certain actions......wait for it......in public. Why are you calling it certain actions anyway? Are you trying to prove your point by claiming that public transport and publicly accessible shops don't count as going out in public?

Look I know you are trying to save face here but this is the long and short of it.

You claimed that you would be fined 10k for not wearing a mask in public.

This is incorrect as you can leave you house and walk about in puic while not wearing a mask and not get in trouble. If you want to use public transport or enter certain shops you will have to put on a mask to enter or use them. You're rather pathetic claims that because public transport us outside this is equal to all of the public spaces in Germany is laughable.

Secondly on further reading the fines start at 25 euros and any larger fines are not going to be levied against individuals without masks on but in fact shop owners whose staff don't wear masks if required.

End of fucking story mate

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[Grendel]

Look I know you are trying to save face here but this is the long and short of it.

You claimed that you would be fined 10k for not wearing a mask in public.

This is incorrect as you can leave you house and walk about in puic while not wearing a mask and not get in trouble. If you want to use public transport or enter certain shops you will have to put on a mask to enter or use them. You're rather pathetic claims that because public transport us outside this is equal to all of the public spaces in Germany is laughable.

Secondly on further reading the fines start at 25 euros and any larger fines are not going to be levied against individuals without masks on but in fact shop owners whose staff don't wear masks if required.

End of fucking story mate

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No David some places so no fines perhaps more reading is required. It seems you are suffering from Astute Syndrome - soon you’ll be putting a clapped out banger as you’d avatar and making a thousand posts on the Sunderland forum

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Look I know you are trying to save face here but this is the long and short of it.

You claimed that you would be fined 10k for not wearing a mask in public.

This is incorrect as you can leave you house and walk about in puic while not wearing a mask and not get in trouble. If you want to use public transport or enter certain shops you will have to put on a mask to enter or use them. You're rather pathetic claims that because public transport us outside this is equal to all of the public spaces in Germany is laughable.

Secondly on further reading the fines start at 25 euros and any larger fines are not going to be levied against individuals without masks on but in fact shop owners whose staff don't wear masks if required.

End of fucking story mate

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Laughable? Do you remember when you tried to claim you were more likely to catch Covid in your local pub than in a packed football stadium because pubs are inside and apparently the entirety of a football stadium is outside?

And public transport and shops are where? Come on David you can get this I know you can. I'll give you a clue to get you started....out in.....(starts with a p ends in c)

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Economic Growth is still needed as if we dont see economic growth then we all get poorer.

The issue is that GDP growth has become tired and rather outdated as a sole indicator of economic prosperity.

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I agree with you overall - some economic growth is probably necessary but it should be one factor of many.

But it doesn't necessarily mean that if we don't see economic growth we get poorer. If everything continues to cost the same then growth isn't needed - we just need to change what we spend it on to be more efficient. Companies up prices because they say costs like wages are going up. People say they need wage increases because costs are going up.

Part of that is we need to have a concerted effort at looking at over-population. Pretty much everything that causes problems you can trace back to it.

 

[David O'Day]

Laughable? Do you remember when you tried to claim you were more likely to catch Covid in your local pub than in a packed football stadium because pubs are inside and apparently the entirety of a football stadium is outside?

And public transport and shops are where? Come on David you can get this I know you can. I'll give you a clue to get you started....out in.....(starts with a p ends in c)

Yes and medically that is still a fact that large concerts and events are considered low risk. Got a scientific study yo say this is wrong'?

It's laughable because you stated you would be fined for going out in public without a mask. This is not true as you can go out in public without a mask. It's rather sad to see you trying to say being fined for not wearing a mask on a bus is the same as being fined for not wearing on in public. If the German rules said you could ne fined for not wearing a mask in public you would need to wear a mask as soon as you left your house.

This is rather sad but completely not unexpected from the likes of you.

You were wrong, own it.



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[David O'Day]

I agree with you overall - some economic growth is probably necessary but it should be one factor of many.

But it doesn't necessarily mean that if we don't see economic growth we get poorer. If everything continues to cost the same then growth isn't needed - we just need to change what we spend it on to be more efficient. Companies up prices because they say costs like wages are going up. People say they need wage increases because costs are going up.

Part of that is we need to have a concerted effort at looking at over-population. Pretty much everything that causes problems you can trace back to it.

Economic growth is needed as if the economy doesn't grow people and society get poorer.

Economic growth is not on indicator

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[Grendel]

Yes and medically that is still a fact that large concerts and events are considered low risk. Got a scientific study yo say this is wrong'?

It's laughable because you stated you would be fined for going out in public without a mask. This is not true as you can go out in public without a mask. It's rather sad to see you trying to say being fined for not wearing a mask on a bus is the same as being fined for not wearing on in public. If the German rules said you could ne fined for not wearing a mask in public you would need to wear a mask as soon as you left your house.

This is rather sad but completely not unexpected from the likes of you.

You were wrong, own it.



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You can’t read - own it

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Yes and medically that is still a fact that large concerts and events are considered low risk. Got a scientific study yo say this is wrong'?

It's laughable because you stated you would be fined for going out in public without a mask. This is not true as you can go out in public without a mask. It's rather sad to see you trying to say being fined for not wearing a mask on a bus is the same as being fined for not wearing on in public. If the German rules said you could ne fined for not wearing a mask in public you would need to wear a mask as soon as you left your house.

This is rather sad but completely not unexpected from the likes of you.

You were wrong, own it.



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Have you got a scientific study to say that's right? Let me ask you this then, did you believe that you would've been less likely to catch Covid at Cheltenham than your local pub as that's more or less mostly outside?

But you will get fined for going out in public without a mask? I personally define going out in public with going out into shops, cafes, pubs, going on public transport. Considering pubs and cafes aren't open I guess that reduces my definition of going out in public but it still applies.

There's nothing to own.

 

[David O'Day]

Have you got a scientific study to say that's right? Let me ask you this then, did you believe that you would've been less likely to catch Covid at Cheltenham than your local pub as that's more or less mostly outside?

But you will get fined for going out in public without a mask? I personally define going out in public with going out to shops, cafes, pubs, going on public transport. Considering pubs and cafes aren't open I guess that reduces my definition of going out in public but it still applies.

There's nothing to own.

As there are very many activities that are out in public and you don't have to wear a mask for that is point 1 you were wrong on.

As the fine for not wearing a mask isn't 10k that is point 2 you are wrong on.

As you will not always get fined that is point 3 you are wrong on.


With regards to public gatherings I'll take the words of sage over a weirdo that is currently digging himself large hole on a city forum.

Unless you can prove them wrong that is?

You were wrong and tried to style it out but alas you looked like a plum.

Until you can show me I'm wrong I'll just giggle at you as I have work to be doing

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[SkyBlueCRJ]

As there are very many activities that are out in public and you don't have to wear a mask for that is point 1 you were wrong on.

As the fine for not wearing a mask isn't 10k that is point 2 you are wrong on.

As you will not always get fined that is point 3 you are wrong on.


With regards to public gatherings I'll take the words of sage over a weirdo that is currently digging himself large hole on a city forum.

Unless you can prove them wrong that is?

You were wrong and tried to style it out but alas you looked like a plum.

Until you can show me I'm wrong I'll just giggle at you as I have work to be doing

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How can you define my personal definition of going out in public? Again, I'm not wrong as I said that Germans could be fined up to €10,000 for not wearing a face mask - which I reiterated from the Guardian. What hole am I digging myself and you haven't answered my question - although it was rhetorical so I'm more than happy to let that slide. Well yes I can because former Chief Scientific Advisor David King has said that Cheltenham was the best way possible to spread Covid. Also, areas surrounding Cheltenham racecourse have been hit by quite badly by Covid-19 with 181 fatalities just in local hospitals and god knows how many cases - Cheltenham actually had the highest number of coronavirus hospital admissions in the county as of 3 April. There were also reports of race-goers falling in after attending the festival up and down the country.

But yeah your local is the true death trap because it's indoors.

 

[David O'Day]

You do realise that one person's view is not a scientific study? You do don't you?

Now just admit you have made yourself look foolish and move on. People are laughing now.



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[David O'Day]

It seems the government have changed how they record testing figures to try and make it look like they are hitting targets.

Originally a twdt was counted once ig had been taken but now they are counting tests that have been despatched but not yet taken.

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[shmmeee]

Interesting piece on how testing numbers have risen so quickly: Revealed: How government changed the rules to hit 100,000 tests target

 

[Grendel]

You do realise that one person's view is not a scientific study? You do don't you?

Now just admit you have made yourself look foolish and move on. People are laughing now.



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Who is laughing

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

You do realise that one person's view is not a scientific study? You do don't you?

Now just admit you have made yourself look foolish and move on. People are laughing now.



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Oh so it's only someone's view that a little over 3 weeks after Cheltenham Festival that the town itself recorded the highest number of hospital admissions in the country? I don't need a scientific study to prove my point David.