Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (8 Viewers)

[Grendel]

True. When assessing their effectiveness it doesn't really matter if the data is European or not.

Trump thinks they work doesn’t he?

 

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[skybluetony176]

Where has it actually been mandatory in all areas in Europe?

Ones doing better than us and most started doing it in March or early April. Aside from helping control the number of cases and therefore deaths it’s also meant that they’ve been able to relax lockdown measures sooner.

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Face masks in a pandemic: From 'useless' to 'indispensable' | The Japan Times

Lists a few.

 

[skybluetony176]

Trump thinks they work doesn’t he?

If he does then why is he saying that he won’t.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Aren't they bras?

Government ordered I expect, so plenty of tits need protection there!

 

[clint van damme]

Here’s the list

Which countries have made wearing face masks compulsory?

The Italy response shows the concerns especially the false sense of security and potential resource impacts

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...here-should-you-wear-a-face-mask-in-italy/amp

I get the false sense of security concerns.
I'm also not convinced of how effective they are but I would still be happy to wear one if made mandatory. Anything that can help even if it's minimal is worth a go.

 

[Ian1779]

This is the problem Clint. Everybody needs to be singing from the same hymn sheet.
I tend not to listen to politicos saying the opposite of each other, but I would expect people like the WHO to be independent and give the correct advice. Their advice isn't clear cut to me.

Even if you could guarantee their ‘independence’ people like Trump and Johnson won’t listen because it doesn’t fit their own narrative - wherever that influence comes from.

 

[David O'Day]

That's why IMO it should be enforced. Germany have bought in punishments for not wearing face masks (apparently up to €10,000) if you are caught without a mask on in public.

Our government need to find a backbone and implement similar laws / punishments with regards to wearing face masks otherwise people simply won't wear them consistently enough.

They'll flount the rules as they are doing now with quarantine.

Not actually true, face masks are only compulsory on public transport, certain shops and other places you can't social distance.

They are not mandatory for wearing in public


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[SkyBlueCRJ]

Not actually true, face masks are only compulsory on public transport, certain shops and other places you can't social distance.

They are not mandatory for wearing in public


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So still in public then?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Brilliant to have boris back and great news that we’ve past the peak and will have the exit strategy known by next week!

Johnson returns and first thing he announces is we're past the peak.....

Who'd av thunk it?

 

[David O'Day]

So still in public then?

Not all public places as you were implying so no you were wrong.

You will not be fined 10k for not wearing a mask in public.



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[David O'Day]

Reports that you could catch the virus twice e likely due to original false positive results as per South Korea.

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[SkyBlueCRJ]

Not all public places as you were implying so no you were wrong.

You will not be fined 10k for not wearing a mask on public.



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Oh of course because public transport and publicly accessible shops don't technically count as going out in public. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

What an idiot. How much notice was there schools were closing, couple of days? Is he seriously suggesting that in that time they should have been able to transfer everything online?

We've got a parliament that couldn't sort out a Withdrawal Agreement for three years and they expect teachers to completely revolutionise their method of teaching (often without having the technical knowledge of how to do it) in a few days. Whilst also continuing to have to do the traditional method for key workers.

 

[David O'Day]

Oh of course because public transport and publicly accessible shops don't technically count as going out in public. Thanks for clearing that up.

You said you could be funded 10k for going g out in public without a mask. You can go out in public without a mask but if you wish to do certain things you have to put a mask on.

Keep digging

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[SkyBlueCRJ]

You said you could be funded 10k for going g out in public without a mask. You can go out in public without a mask but if you wish to do certain things you have to put a mask on.

Keep digging

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Funded 10k for going out in public without a mask? That's country I need to get to asap.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I agree on the economy bit though some experts think it will be a piece of piss and we can lockdown for 6 years if we have to

What this has shown is that the way we structure economics it cannot adapt to change. This makes it a very vulnerable system and we need to take a massive look at this. The first step is to get rid of the utter obsession with economic growth.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Amazing how following the changing science which the government has done all along seems in vogue today

Seems the government approach of following the changing science is gaining support

But at no point did the science say herd mentality was a good idea - that was an ideological idea that was tried to be pushed on them to agree to. We lost a lot of time for that.

Neither have they ever said PPE was useless. Again that was political spin because we'd not stockpiled enough even though we'd been told to years before. So again a political failing that they've tried to push onto health professionals.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Yes, as soon as they work out how to combine bleach & rat poison you'll see it in Target right next to the anti COVID automatic weapons.

Shut up you stupid twat, complete embarrassment with comments irrelevant to the point

Always trying to be a smart arse ain’t ya

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

If he does then why is he saying that he won’t.

Machismo. Or his God-complex makes him think he's invulnerable.

 

[David O'Day]

Funded 10k for going out in public without a mask? That's country I need to get to asap.

So you now have to pick on a typo because you were caught out lying.

Shame on you

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[SkyBlueCRJ]

So you now have to pick on a typo because you were caught out lying.

Shame on you

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Can you send me a link to how I can get funding for not wearing a face mask?

Wait....you weren't lYiNg were you?

 

[David O'Day]

But at no point did the science say herd mentality was a good idea - that was an ideological idea that was tried to be pushed on them to agree to. We lost a lot of time for that.

Neither have they ever said PPE was useless. Again that was political spin because we'd not stockpiled enough even though we'd been told to years before. So again a political failing that they've tried to push onto health professionals.

Remember when grenners tried to say an oxbridge virologist had said face masks didn't work so they NHS didn't need them? Remember when it turned out said doctors was referring to his opinion on the public wearing them?

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[David O'Day]

Can you send me a link to how I can get funding for not wearing a face mask?

Wait....you weren't lYiNg were you?

No it was a typo, can you please show me a link that shows that you can get fined 10k for not wearing a mask in public?

Don't claim that being fined for certain actions is the same as being fined for not wearing a mask in public.

I said you were lying so prove me wrong.

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[Ian1779]

Johnson returns and first thing he announces is we're past the peak.....

Who'd av thunk it?

They're still pushing that Jesus analogy...

 

[skybluetony176]

What this has shown is that the way we structure economics it cannot adapt to change. This makes it a very vulnerable system and we need to take a massive look at this. The first step is to get rid of the utter obsession with economic growth.

It’s a really good point. Climate change kills an estimated 150K+ every year (that’s just the death toll for humans not all species) and rising yet economies around the world or to be more precise the driving force behind them seem reluctant to make the changes needed to combat this death toll. We’re stuck in a rut economically speaking, it’s all about the now and not tomorrow.

 

[shmmeee]

But at no point did the science say herd mentality was a good idea - that was an ideological idea that was tried to be pushed on them to agree to. We lost a lot of time for that.

Neither have they ever said PPE was useless. Again that was political spin because we'd not stockpiled enough even though we'd been told to years before. So again a political failing that they've tried to push onto health professionals.

Brian Cox was spot on. Anyone talking about following “the science” cleary hasn’t a clue what science is.

 

[David O'Day]

For anyone who is interested here is a link to German rules on mask wearing and the associated fines

Germans could be fined up to €10,000 as face mask rules brought in

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s a really good point. Climate change kills an estimated 150K+ every year (that’s just the death toll for humans not all species) and rising yet economies around the world or to be more precise the driving force behind them seem reluctant to make the changes needed to combat this death toll. We’re stuck in a rut economically speaking, it’s all about the now and not tomorrow.

I find it very unfortunate that they argued for austerity on the basis of 'we can't burden the next generation with debt' when the failure to fund anything properly for 10 years is coming home to roost

 

[skybluetony176]

Johnson returns and first thing he announces is we're past the peak.....

Who'd av thunk it?

Past the peak but stuck on a plateau.

 

[David O'Day]

Economic Growth is still needed as if we dont see economic growth then we all get poorer.

The issue is that GDP growth has become tired and rather outdated as a sole indicator of economic prosperity.

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[SkyBlueCRJ]

No it was a typo, can you please show me a link that shows that you can get fined 10k for not wearing a mask in public?

Don't claim that being fined for certain actions is the same as being fined for not wearing a mask in public.

I said you were lying so prove me wrong.

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You were lying weren't you?! Shame on you.

Certain actions......wait for it......in public. Why are you calling it certain actions anyway? Are you trying to prove your point by claiming that public transport and publicly accessible shops don't count as going out in public?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Brian Cox was spot on. Anyone talking about following “the science” cleary hasn’t a clue what science is.

Reminds me of when Gove said we were waiting on 'the chemicals'.

 

[skybluetony176]

I find it very unfortunate that they argued for austerity on the basis of 'we can't burden the next generation with debt' when the failure to fund anything properly for 10 years is coming home to roost

Even without this shit storm there’s little tangible proof that austerity even worked and actually capital investment through borrowing would have stimulated the economy and and had a more positive effect in cutting the debt.

 

[Grendel]

Remember when grenners tried to say an oxbridge virologist had said face masks didn't work so they NHS didn't need them? Remember when it turned out said doctors was referring to his opinion on the public wearing them?

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Oh dear David are you trying to set a record for the number of lies in a day?

You of course always favoured the alleged strategy on herd immunity didn’t you?

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