Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (246 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Other than Brexit was close but the GE wasn't. And people seemed to trust a clown like Boris more than Corbyn.

The GE was as close as the referendum it’s just a different voting system. Remain parties won just over 50% of the votes and Leave parties just under 50%, basically the same as the referendum but reversed. Just taking the major parties it was 43.6% Con vs 43.8% Lib/Lab.

Also Johnson only improved on Mays results by 1.2%, the big difference was people abandoning Corbyn (-7.9%) rather than overwhelming support for Johnson.

 

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[stupot07]

Revealed: the secret report that gave ministers warning of care home coronavirus crisis

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

1, Germany
2, The moon.

Merkel isn't competent.

Maybe the moon is though.

 

[shmmeee]

Is some of this down to the relative stability of the UK in the post war years? i.e. it hasn't led to many people getting involved in politics because they want change

I think there’s a bit of that. Overall I think politicians accepted the “end of history” with Thatcher and that’s put some of the tools necessary to give people what’s needed, especially after a massive recession, beyond the political pale.

Any sensible government would be creating decent jobs, boosting manufacturing, building council housing, the sort of stuff we did with post war Germany to stop the rise of populism but these are all either seen as impossible/a relic of the past, or thanks to changes in globalisation such as loosening restrictions on moving money and business internationally just aren’t possible.

In many ways the globalised economy has neutered national politics.

 

[Astute]

The GE was as close as the referendum it’s just a different voting system. Remain parties won just over 50% of the votes and Leave parties just under 50%, basically the same as the referendum but reversed. Just taking the major parties it was 43.6% Con vs 43.8% Lib/Lab.

Also Johnson only improved on Mays results by 1.2%, the big difference was people abandoning Corbyn (-7.9%) rather than overwhelming support for Johnson.

A lot of people voted Tory that wanted to remain in the EU. I work with a fair few.

 

[Skybluefaz]

I grew up with an interest in politics in the 70's and 80's. You had no choice when you had those like Thatcher in charge.

I don't say politics are in the gutter for no reason. I can't think of one who deserves respect ATM. It seems it is more important to tick all the boxes on minorities/women than those best for the job.

That's a statement. You got some examples of people who have been overlooked in favour of some positive discrimination?

 

[skybluetony176]

Revealed: the secret report that gave ministers warning of care home coronavirus crisis

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That Martin Green should watch his tone.

 

[Astute]

Merkel isn't competent.

Maybe the moon is though.

Think you had better look more into Merkel. We could do with someone like her. Better than we have had since..... can't even think since when.

 

[Astute]

That's a statement. You got some examples of people who have been overlooked in favour of some positive discrimination?

Try in Coventry for starters. Someone shipped in. And what do you think I meant by minorities?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

UK detention centres 'emptied in weeks'

A large number of people held in UK immigration detention centres have been released.

PPE gowns bought for NHS from Turkey unusable

The PPE we ordered from Turkey and then had to go and pick up is now sat in a warehouse because it isn't up to standard.


This is a fucking joke.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Think you had better look more into Merkel. We could do with someone like her. Better than we have had since..... can't even think since when.

I'll never forgive her for what she did.

I honestly think that was enough to make the leave vote win.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I grew up with an interest in politics in the 70's and 80's. You had no choice when you had those like Thatcher in charge.

I don't say politics are in the gutter for no reason. I can't think of one who deserves respect ATM. It seems it is more important to tick all the boxes on minorities/women than those best for the job.

But we have white men in charge of the two main parties.

 

[Astute]

But we have white men in charge of the two main parties.

Yeah. Could do with trying a gay woman I suppose.

Are you saying you think we always have the best stand for election?

 

[Skybluefaz]

Try in Coventry for starters. Someone shipped in. And what do you think I meant by minorities?

Who were the better candidates?

 

[Nick]

PPE gowns bought for NHS from Turkey unusable

Does nobody from the NHS or whoever is ordering them think to double check first?

 

[Astute]

I'll never forgive her for what she did.

I honestly think that was enough to make the leave vote win.

Does that make her a bad leader of Germany?

 

[clint van damme]

I agree with you. The whole system is screwed and its now 100% partisanship, people gloss over anything if its their guys that did it.

I put a massive amount of blame for this on the press.
UK media is appalling.

 

[Astute]

Who were the better candidates?

Another person looking for an argument I see. Why not ask those on here about their thoughts? There were plenty at the time.

The best we could find?

Labour candidate sorry for 'celebrate deaths' post

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Yeah. Could do with trying a gay woman I suppose.

Are you saying you think we always have the best stand for election?

Obviously Johnson is in charge because we need a token white male Oxbridge educated upper class elite somewhere...

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

UK detention centres 'emptied in weeks'

A large number of people held in UK immigration detention centres have been released.

PPE gowns bought for NHS from Turkey unusable

The PPE we ordered from Turkey and then had to go and pick up is now sat in a warehouse because it isn't up to standard.


This is a fucking joke.

That needs a question gosh. So you dealt with it by letting everyone going free lol

 

[skybluetony176]

Just looking at voting statistics in the last GE for age group and having read the Guardian article Stu has linked are the Tories decimating their target audience for votes? You were more likely to vote Tory if you were elderly or have parents who are. With the way the government has palmed of the Coronavirus issue off onto care homes wouldn’t that make you think at the next GE of how you were treated during this, or how you will be treated if you go into a care home during the next term, or how your parents were treated in all of this, or how your parents could be treated in the next term if they have to go into a care home?

 

[shmmeee]

Who were the better candidates?

most of the alternatives to be fair. Sultana was shipped in because she was a Corbynite though, not because she was an Asian woman. It wasn’t an AWS AFAIK.

 

[shmmeee]

I'll never forgive her for what she did.

I honestly think that was enough to make the leave vote win.

Genuine question: what did she do?

 

[chiefdave]

Does nobody from the NHS or whoever is ordering them think to double check first?

They hadn't even been ordered at the point the government were saying it was on its way here in their daily briefing. No way after that they couldn't order it, probably hoped nobody would find out it was sat in a warehouse and of no use.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Theresa May criticises global response to coronavirus pandemic

It's almost funny given that the party she's part of are probably far more guilty of this than most.

 

[chiefdave]

Try in Coventry for starters. Someone shipped in. And what do you think I meant by minorities?

Double edged sword as it seems the local alternatives were people on the council and we all know what they're like!

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Does that make her a bad leader of Germany?

Yes.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Genuine question: what did she do?

Open the borders up.

I get that it was supposed to be a humanitarian action, but it was not thought through at all. The consequences of such reckless action, has in my opinion, changed the long term future of the whole continent.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

That needs a question gosh. So you dealt with it by letting everyone going free lol

Exactly.

Total madness.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Raises some good points. The knock on effects could be huge, both politically and economically. As May points out there is a risk nationalism and isolationism could rise further and have long term damaging effects globally. .

Which we are as much a part of as anyone with Brexit and the rhetoric surrounding it. Just look at our response to this crisis. It's almost Empire-like in it's 'Britain Knows Best' approach.

 

[Astute]

Double edged sword as it seems the local alternatives were people on the council and we all know what they're like!

If they can ship someone in as bad as Sultana they should be able to find someone decent to bring in.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Another person looking for an argument I see. Why not ask those on here about their thoughts? There were plenty at the time.

The best we could find?

Labour candidate sorry for 'celebrate deaths' post

Not looking for an argument, you made a lazy remark with seemingly no evidence to back it up. On a forum that is likely to get challenged.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You really are a whining bitch

Ah, the thickest man on the forum emerges to protect Boris' honour

 

[skybluetony176]

Does nobody from the NHS or whoever is ordering them think to double check first?

Think it was done directly by a government desperate for a headline. Still, it’s not like we had an RAF plane sat on a Turkish runway for three days waiting for the order to be completed putting pressure on getting the order ready so processes were missed meaning that the quality were inferior. Imagine what they would have looked like if they’d got them ready for the day that the government was saying that they were initially being picked up, I doubt they’d have made the journey back. The other reality was that the quantity didn’t even amount to one full shifts worth for every health care professional that required them. Just another pointless headline from a headline government.

 

[Astute]

Not looking for an argument, you made a lazy remark with seemingly no evidence to back it up. On a forum that is likely to get challenged.

Sultana not evidence? Do you live in Coventry? I don't but know all about her. No lazy remark there.