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Saddlebrains

Saddlebrains

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Ring Of Steel said:
you’re not the only saying that, and I don’t see how it’s a conspiracy theory, it seems quite rational to me- we know for sure the virus was in Europe in December, before the Chinese reported their first case. Nobody knows for sure but you may well be right.
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It just seems to be pointing in that direction doesnt it? A lot of the research showing this to be the case now. Im glad I'm not the only one of that opinion to be honest

Found this if anyone wants a brief look

New coronavirus spread swiftly around world from late 2019, study finds
 
Astute

Astute

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I don't really agree with that at all.

There is bias, of course there is. You get it on both sides though.

I think this is part of the problem though. Whilst I detest the tories personally, the electorate continue to reject labour and this isn't just down to what is printed in the Daily Mail.

There needs to be ownership and acceptance that the efforts the other parties have put forward in both candidates and policies are not good enough to topple the tory reign, even though them themselves are shite.

There are quite a few posters on here who do accept it however and I welcome that honesty and reflection. That kind of attitude will only improve their favoured party and give them a chance in the future perhaps.

Look to the USA for example. I don't think Trump would have won if his opposition candidate was half decent. It seems they didn't learn their lesson as this time it isn't Hillary but someone who is also a bit of a joke.

As I said earlier, I am delusioned with politics these days anyway. I really don't think any of them represent me.
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Couldn't agree more.

I just hope Startmer shows the Tories for what they are and at the same time start to unite his own party. I didn't vote in the last GE. The only time I haven't voted. But nobody was worth my vote. Wouldn't take a lot to get my vote again. But a bit more will be needed with the floating voters.
 
Ring Of Steel

Ring Of Steel

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Astute said:
Couldn't agree more.

I just hope Startmer shows the Tories for what they are and at the same time start to unite his own party. I didn't vote in the last GE. The only time I haven't voted. But nobody was worth my vote. Wouldn't take a lot to get my vote again. But a bit more will be needed with the floating voters.
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I find the whole parliament thing uninteresting but I did watch some today just to see this Starmer guy in action, and I have to say he was good, he just forensically dissects Johnson with ease. He was quoting facts and figures and as we know, Boris doesn’t have a clue on facts and figures. But it counts for nothing ultimately, there is a long time before any election.
 
Brylowes

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Ring Of Steel said:
The thing I remember most about Laura Kuenssberg is the look on her face when she announced that the postal votes were looking good for the Conservatives and how pleased she was.
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There was controversy over that as well wasn’t there,
She announced or ‘let it be known’ that postal vote results we’re going against Labour,
Whilst the election was still on. Or something like that :emoji_thinking:
 
covmark

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Grendel said:
So saying fuck the Tories is behaving with honesty and integrity?
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They've well and truly fucked this right up. Honesty and Integrity is a two way street. Where's the honesty and integrity from the Tories? PPE is still a joke, more people are dying here than anywhere else, yet the Tories will try and sugarcoat this shit. Fuck the Tories mate!

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Ian1779

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Brylowes said:
There was controversy over that as well wasn’t there,
She announced or ‘let it be known’ that postal vote results we’re going against Labour,
Whilst the election was still on. Or something like that :emoji_thinking:
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No-one should ever have known.... how she did was quite the miracle.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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covmark said:
They've well and truly fucked this right up. Honesty and Integrity is a two way street. Where's the honesty and integrity from the Tories? PPE is still a joke, more people are dying here than anywhere else, yet the Tories will try and sugarcoat this shit. Fuck the Tories mate!

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Im referring to an impartial news presenter on channel 4
 
Astute

Astute

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Ring Of Steel said:
I find the whole parliament thing uninteresting but I did watch some today just to see this Starmer guy in action, and I have to say he was good, he just forensically dissects Johnson with ease. He was quoting facts and figures and as we know, Boris doesn’t have a clue on facts and figures. But it counts for nothing ultimately, there is a long time before any election.
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Starmer will run rings around most present Tories. He has the truth on his side. And all news outlets will only defend the Tories for so long. Rags like The Sun change their alliance with who the public prefer at the time. It sells papers. It will most probably be Boris bashing time soon.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think Corbyn would have got hammered more, but probably not as much as you think it goes.

As I said, there is media bias, but blaming election defeats and such as down to this is deflection. It's a small slither and an excuse for said party being too weak and not accepting reality.

The result wasn't even close in the end anyway.

It's not that Corbyn wasn't as good as Boris, it was that Boris wasn't as bad as Corbyn.
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I haven't blamed the election defeat on the media I admitted Labour got the manifesto wrong.
Though the Tory manifesto was not scrutinised in anywhere near the same way even though it was full of similar bold promises with lit the detail I. But their big message was get Brexit done and it played well.
And Corbyn definitely would have got hammered as much as I'm making out. Absolutely.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Saddlebrains said:
Right im sticking my neck on the line and saying i reckon this was the second wave.


The more i read about the COVID positive blood samples from other countries now not just France in December the more i reckon a load have had it and the virus mutated.

Would also explain why football is returning in germany, italy and spain who got smashed just as badly as us getting back to normality also.


I'm not a conspiracy theorist far from it, but wouldn't surprise me if this is also the understanding of governments now this information has come to light.


Even in the U.K through December and January flu deaths were up eightfold and pneumonia deaths 3 times higher than the yearly average. Was just put down to a particularly bad season
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Where did you get your flu death figures from? Be interested to see that.
I definitely think it was here earlier than we realised but I was thinking perhaps a less virulent strain.
Those pneumonia and flu figures would seem to back up your theory but I'm sure someone on here said flu deaths weren't up around Christmas.
As I've said before, like you, I had anecdotal evidence it was here earlier thsn thought based on people I knew or knew of being ill with symptoms of COVID around Christmas,
 
Nick

Nick

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What the actual fuck is this? The fact that are tagging in journalists kind of says they are being beggy.
 
Nick

Nick

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Driving on a road with false plates as well?

It's fucking pathetic, people trying to make themselves famous off the back of it.
 
Astute

Astute

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Nick said:
Driving on a road with false plates as well?

It's fucking pathetic, people trying to make themselves famous off the back of it.
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Couple of beers. Start chatting shite.

Couple of spliffs. The shite sounds like a good idea.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Nick said:
Why? To try and show they love VE day more than everybody else?
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ti's a bit traditional isn't it?
Not my cup of tea but its' something that's always been done. Although not sure how they'll maintain social distancing though it probably won't matter as I think it's going to be a free for all Monday as people seem to think slight easing of lock down constitutes a party time.

The government need to be very, very clear with their message on Sunday.
 
Nick

Nick

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clint van damme said:
ti's a bit traditional isn't it?
Not my cup of tea but its' something that's always been done. Although not sure how they'll maintain social distancing though it probably won't matter as I think it's going to be a free for all Monday as people seem to think slight easing of lock down constitutes a party time.

The government need to be very, very clear with their message on Sunday.
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Yeah but tradition has gone to the window nowadays.

It will be so people can post it all over facebook and make it about them.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Nick said:
Yeah but tradition has gone to the window nowadays.

It will be so people can post it all over facebook and make it about them.
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while the majority of the few remaining people who can remember it are dicing with death in care homes with the virus running riot in them and not one fuck given by the government.
 
Sky_Blue_Daz

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My neighbour is into the Native American culture , he is part of the Lakota tribe in South Dakota he came out on our street in full Native American regalia and did a traditional dance to show support of the keyworkers , it was really good
 
skybluetony176

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Kier Starmer making the point that care homes are full of people that are from the VE generation and on a day we’re celebrating that the people that survived it have been abandoned.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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clint van damme said:
ti's a bit traditional isn't it?
Not my cup of tea but its' something that's always been done. Although not sure how they'll maintain social distancing though it probably won't matter as I think it's going to be a free for all Monday as people seem to think slight easing of lock down constitutes a party time.

The government need to be very, very clear with their message on Sunday.
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The VE stuff is a modern phenomena isn't it? I don't think anybody who actually experienced the war would really partake in something as crass as this will end up.

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skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Sky_Blue_Daz said:
My neighbour is into the Native American culture , he is part of the Lakota tribe in South Dakota he came out on our street in full Native American regalia and did a traditional dance to show support of the keyworkers , it was really good
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Did you see Ireland has been raising money for Native Americans as they’re another section of American society that’s been abandoned by the apparent richest nation in the world. It seems in the Irish potato famine Native Americans sent money to Ireland so they’re returning the favour.
 
shmmeee

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Saddlebrains said:
Even in the U.K through December and January flu deaths were up eightfold and pneumonia deaths 3 times higher than the yearly average. Was just put down to a particularly bad season
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Dont know where you’ve got that stat but it’s not true. Here’s the governments flu reports for Dec and Jan and only the last week of Jan was there any statistically significant increase in mortality across any age group: UK flu levels according to PHE statistics: 2019 to 2020

This shows all deaths for the first three months of the year are below five year averages including flu and pneumonia deaths specifically: Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics

Relevant graph for the lazy:

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