Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (354 Viewers)

[Grendel]

We should do whatever is necessary to minimise the number of deaths.

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So until a vaccine then? That’s gross austerity isn’t it? So will that not create deaths through other means? Didn’t someone claim 200,000 deaths through austerity? So this will be a lot more severe if no one works or is educated for years? How many? A million?

 

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[Grendel]

You’re suggesting that we’re being over cautious and to back it up you’ve just said that hardly any children have died while ignoring transmission or infection amongst the staff.

Actually come to think of it your denial of us topping the death table basically nullifies what you’ve got to say here

I’m trying to have a sensible discussion. I assume then Coronavirus deaths will vanish at a point in time? When in your scientific view will this be? And when can a society have renewed freedom and no additional deaths with no cure?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I find it laughab


The way forward is not reopening schools when the infection data is so unreliable and the number of people infected so high.

You find the R number going up laughable? Wtf

 

[stupot07]

So until a vaccine then? That’s gross austerity isn’t it? So will that not create deaths through other means? Didn’t someone claim 200,000 deaths through austerity? So this will be a lot more severe if no one works or is educated for years? How many? A million?

Go on tell us the solution? You're wasted on here you should be on SAGE.

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[fernandopartridge]

You find the R number going up laughable? Wtf

I mixed up two draft posts. I find it laughable that the UK is estimating that the R rate is less than 1.

 

[hill83]

I mixed up two draft posts. I find it laughable that the UK is estimating that the R rate is less than 1.

Don't try and back out of it now. You maniac.

 

[fernandopartridge]

So until a vaccine then? That’s gross austerity isn’t it? So will that not create deaths through other means? Didn’t someone claim 200,000 deaths through austerity? So this will be a lot more severe if no one works or is educated for years? How many? A million?

Well that hysterical list is based on the premise of austerity being strictly necessary

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’m trying to have a sensible discussion. I assume then Coronavirus deaths will vanish at a point in time? When in your scientific view will this be? And when can a society have renewed freedom and no additional deaths with no cure?

Well that may only happen either with a vaccine or anti viral drug. I don’t advocate indefinite lockdown but I am saying that if we can reliably work out just how many have been infected and establish which groups are at minimal risk then they could return to normality. I think that’s more realistic in the short-medium term.

What you are suggesting is unwise given we just don’t have the information on transmission or immunity post infection-but I think we could get there in good time

 

[Grendel]

Go on tell us the solution? You're wasted on here you should be on SAGE.

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That’s the point of making. Everyone on here is mindlessly ranting and not offering any thoughts on a way forward

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I’m trying to have a sensible discussion.

First time for everything I guess...

Anyway, my alternative question would be why children have to go back *now*? Having been off, what difference would another few weeks make? Having taken them off, is there an argument for, if you must bring them back, taking the summer holidays now and giving time for a properly planned return?

If I was confident there were a worked plan, I'd be confident myself. Obviously there will always be some risk, that's the nature of life but, having shut us down, there needs some proper thought about what to do next rather than, as it seems, a desire to reopen as everybody else is doing it.

 

[clint van damme]

Then we close schools until a vaccine and ban all contact sports?

There may come a point where we have to concede we have to live with this and all we can do is try to adapt to minimize the damage but we're a while away from that yet.
As NW said were a few weeks behind some countries. Let's wait and see how they get on.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That’s the point of making. Everyone on here is mindlessly ranting and not offering any thoughts on a way forward

I have done but you can’t seem to acknowledge just how badly this country has managed it. Until you can at least accept the figures then you won’t accept solutions based on those being correct

 

[Grendel]

Well that hysterical list is based on the premise of austerity being strictly necessary

Some reports say a third of pubs will go under. Many businesses relying on the tourist sector will be dead if they can’t open - the airline industry is screwed anyway I’d guess as if the travel industry in general. Debt will be as a % of GDP higher than ever and this is a best case scenario of recovering some semblance of normality in the relative near future across the whole of Europe. That’s austerity with a capital A

 

[Deleted member 5849]

There may come a point where we have to concede we have to live with this and all we can do is try to adapt to minimize the damage but we're a while away from that yet.
As NW said were a few weeks behind some countries. Let's wait and see how they get on.

This is what I don't really get. We were later closing and, tbh, I'm still sympathetic to that. Having bought into the same kind of pattern as other countries however, why rush to catch them up in the same stages? We actually, potentially, have an advantage over other countries in watching and learning.

 

[Skybluefaz]

https://t.co/w6ptBdXgv6?amp=1

The plan

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

This is what I don't really get. We were later closing and, tbh, I'm still sympathetic to that. Having bought into the same kind of pattern as other countries however, why rush to catch them up in the same stages? We actually, potentially, have an advantage over other countries in watching and learning.

Because the new strategy is to copy everyone else

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Because the new strategy is to copy everyone else

Apart from when it comes to apps and other things!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Apart from when it comes to apps and other things!

We’re worse at copying people than Mr Bean

 

[Ian1779]

Then we close schools until a vaccine and ban all contact sports?

No - you could look at some kind of antibody testing to see if it is already prevalent in the school age population. That would give you more information that is currently available and then be able to make a more informed decision on things.

That’s just one thing you could try and do before you contemplate sending kids back to school.

 

[hill83]

All of this is irrelevant anyway as NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

All of this is irrelevant anyway as NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

Point scoring lefty.

And on that note...

https://t.co/w6ptBdXgv6?amp=1

The plan

"People may drive to outdoor open spaces irrespective of distance" Page 27.

 

[PVA]

Tubes packed this morning.

Let's just hope they are STAYING ALERT!

Second wave incoming in a few weeks time then

 

[hill83]

My tubes were packed after that Domino's pizza and 7 cans of Guinness I had the other night.

 

[stupot07]

Point scoring lefty.

And on that note...


"People may drive to outdoor open spaces irrespective of distance" Page 27.

I wonder where Astute is hiding....

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[Sick Boy]

About the holidays, I think Italy will be open to tourists this summer, Sicily is even going to be contributing towards them as well.

 

[Grendel]

No - you could look at some kind of antibody testing to see if it is already prevalent in the school age population. That would give you more information that is currently available and then be able to make a more informed decision on things.

That’s just one thing you could try and do before you contemplate sending kids back to school.

And if you can test every child and only 10% have it then what? Refuse entry to 90% - what about higher education? I assume that’s closed until we find a cure as that’s involving spreaders with no real risk to themselves of infecting other communities?

Has any country got an antibody test?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

what about higher education? I assume that’s closed until we find a cure as that’s involving spreaders with no real risk to themselves of infecting other communities?

FWIW, Higher Education is intending to re-open for the next academic year, as things stand.

There's a very real concern, incidentally, that regardless of reopening or not, the loss of overseas students tuition fees could cause a crisis in the sector.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I wonder where Astute is hiding....

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Can I read it? Yes I can.

 

[wingy]

FWIW, Higher Education is intending to re-open for the next academic year, as things stand.

There's a very real concern, incidentally, that regardless of reopening or not, the loss of overseas students tuition fees could cause a crisis in the sector.

Yes
You would expect so.
Somehow my daughter remains confident it won't affect this City toouch .
Not sure how she's reached that conclusion..

 

[hill83]

"All workers who cannot work from home should travel to work if their workplace is open"

 

[Ian1779]

And if you can test every child and only 10% have it then what? Refuse entry to 90% - what about higher education? I assume that’s closed until we find a cure as that’s involving spreaders with no real risk to themselves of infecting other communities?

Has any country got an antibody test?

We just don’t know - there are too many unanswerable questions. However the facts at this moment are:

We have the highest death count in Europe, and 2nd in the world.
We are testing under 100K people a day
There currently is no vaccine.

Now we can test more people which gives us more info, whether or not there is a viable antibody test is another question.

Countries that appear to have a better grip on this have been more effictive in testing and tracking where the virus is, but we fucked that bit up monumentally.

How do we make sense of all that? Let’s get some fucking basics in place first - some clear and simple instructions, sufficient protective equipment and more testing.

 

[skybluetony176]

We have an opportunity, as we're behind just about everybody else in what's going on, to see what happens with them, and learn from it.

I'd like to think we'd take it!

We haven’t thus far, can’t see that changing with these donkeys in charge.

 

[skybluetony176]

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He should have stuck 9 peanuts up, they’d have come out a Treat. #ageappropriatejoke

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Facemasks from Wednesday now....unless you're watching on catch-up, in which case they are currently of no real benefit....

.....whats up next....come on, spin that coloured wheel BoJo

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Facemasks from Wednesday now....unless you're watching on catch-up, in which case they are currently of no real benefit....

.....whats up next....come on, spin that coloured wheel BoJo

I have a naive question but... where the hell do you get an appropriate face mask from?!?