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wingy

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shmmeee said:
You’re robbing Peter to pay Paul though. We’re about to have TWO of the biggest recessions in our history back to back FGS! Taking money out of people’s pockets to meet some arbitrary timeline for paying back debt that’s cheaper to service than any point in history is downright insane.
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Will interest rates remain as they are ?
 
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djr8369

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David O'Day said:
Most of that will be owed to the bank of england who are owned by the uk government.

You can slowly pay it off as per the slavery reparations which we have only just paid off.

Also if you actually stimulate the economy you increase the tax rate more.

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Yup. Reward the people who have kept things going during the crises with better pay and that money starts moving around the economy doing things.

Our power grid is now interconnected to Europe, invest in the huge potential for wind power and be a net exporter of electricity rather than importer.

Invest in R&D, the last 200 years or so of European world dominance was built on the back of scientific discovery.

Invest in infrastructure and services that will boost the economy. Rural 5G for all the remote workers, new public transport options that will help people travel safely.

But no, they’ll remain welded their small state, invisible hand of the market ideology, provide a few drop in the ocean grants here and there that will mainly go to friends and family and hold the country back while protecting the wealthy and blaming the majority.


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Brighton Sky Blue

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djr8369 said:
He’s right. You had to be growing up in the 80’s to be gen X rather than born in the 80’s. The millennials received such a bashing during the culture wars that nobody thinks they’re a millennial.


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Understood, my jist was folks in the late teens/early-mid 20s around the 2008 recession
 
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djr8369

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wingy said:
The address to the nation at 7-00pm on a Sunday evening was a flagrant grandstanding excercise attempting to avert scrutiny and appear presidential.
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The only justice is it backed fired quite badly as no doubt they won’t be held properly to account. Good on the Speaker and Bone picking them up on it. Mogg who is normally such a stickler for rules strangely quiet.


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skybluetony176

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djr8369 said:
He makes some good points. Unfortunately Cummings is running a PR exercise and has no interest in parliamentary process or scrutiny.


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It is incredible that the person behind the leave campaign on the premise of taking back sovereignty seems to have little interest in sovereignty.
 
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PVA

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wingy said:
The address to the nation at 7-00pm on a Sunday evening was a flagrant grandstanding excercise attempting to avert scrutiny and appear presidential.
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He wanted it to be his Churchill moment, especially with it being so close to VE day.

The big week long build up.

Everyone waiting to hear Boris the saviour put an end to lockdown so we could see our friends and family again.

But then the public reaction to the leaks meant he absolutely couldn't do that, it's not what the people wanted. But with this big build up for the speech he had to do something, or it'd look daft.

Which is why we got that absolute farce of a speech.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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hill83 said:
Fucking BAME pisses me right off. Why am I getting lumped in with everyone who isn’t white for fuck sake. It’s so vague.
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It must be extremely annoying, and I imagine there are many in the LGBTQ who feel the same.

But it does also work the other way. When I hear reference to 'white people' there are plenty of white people I'd be horrified to be lumped in with. Same with women referring to men as if we're all the same. It's lazy. Just an assumption if you're white/male you get all the breaks. Just because those with privilege are almost solely white and male doesn't mean being white and male equates to privilege.
 
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PVA

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What a joke.

I feel sorry for these poor people being forced to get on public transport to go to work.

But this second wave is going to be huge.

This shouldn't be allowed. Instead it's being encouraged. The government just don't give a fuck.

 
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djr8369

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It must be extremely annoying, and I imagine there are many in the LGBTQ who feel the same.

But it does also work the other way. When I hear reference to 'white people' there are plenty of white people I'd be horrified to be lumped in with. Same with women referring to men as if we're all the same. It's lazy. Just an assumption if you're white/male you get all the breaks. Just because those with privilege are almost solely white and male doesn't mean being white and male equates to privilege.
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It’s a complex topic but if you’re white and male you’ve objectively got an advantage in several respects. That’s not to say there aren’t some areas we’re worse off in like underperforming in schools. However, many of the advantages between different groups are dwarfed by the advantages offered by class. So, if like many of us, you’re a white working class male, it certainly doesn’t feel like we’ve got any advantages and what we’ve got are hard to perceive because we haven’t experienced the other side of the coin.


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djr8369

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fernandopartridge said:
I saw one of those sympathy for Boris posts on facebook earlier, laughable.
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Was watching the news reports of the protests in America last night and I happen to have been listening to a podcast about how much the Russians used social media to interfere with the American election and our referendum earlier in the day. Got me thinking, I wonder how much of the stuff on social media now is them stirring it up?


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fernandopartridge

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PVA said:
What a joke.

I feel sorry for these poor people being forced to get on public transport to go to work.

But this second wave is going to be huge.

This shouldn't be allowed. Instead it's being encouraged. The government just don't give a fuck.

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23 bus drivers dead already, those buses are deadly.

I've said for many years what a dreadful state London is in, it is prohibitively expensive for most people to live near central London where the jobs are, thus meaning that public transport is a must. They've had to contend with terror attacks and now a deadly virus. All while 40 years of UK governments cream themselves over the financial sector and London's 'economic powerhouse' status.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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David O'Day said:
Generally people are. If you target a tax and say for example "we are going to increase ni by x amount but all extra money raised will be spent on the nhs and adult social care" the public is supportive of this.
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They would be but the trouble in practice is it all gets lumped in the pot. NI was supposed to be a hypothecated tax to pay for social security and hen later the NHS. Vehicle tax is supposed to only be used for road improvements. Never works out that way.
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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fernandopartridge said:
23 bus drivers dead already, those buses are deadly.

I've said for many years what a dreadful state London is in, it is prohibitively expensive for most people to live near central London where the jobs are, thus meaning that public transport is a must. They've had to contend with terror attacks and now a deadly virus. All while 40 years of UK governments cream themselves over the financial sector and London's 'economic powerhouse' status.
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I still love London but one of the best decisions I ever made was to leave. Was working full time in central London and that barely covered my rent and travel card. 2 hours commuting every day to come home to pasta again and bed just to get up and work again. No cash to do anything at the weekend. It was soul destroying.
 
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