Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (16 Viewers)

[SkyBlueDom26]

The app doesn't work yet

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You on the isle of white then?

 

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[shmmeee]

Why do we need the app if we’ve got the tracers? You’d have thought 10k cases/day would be enough.

Bit confused on that one.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Just good old common sense

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Just good old common sense

Get off my beach

 

[David O'Day]

You on the isle of white then?

No the government have admitted it doesn't work yet. You've replied to a post where someone else linked to the government admitting this.

Are you a gold fish?

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[David O'Day]

Get off my beach

Coventrian on his summer hols then?

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Coventrian on his summer hols then?

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Nah he spends those at Dover

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

What baffles is me is that the country that’s top of the European death charts is talking about quarantining visits from countries with hardly any, that in return are offering to allow UK visitors no quarantine.

Read the story and a few lines in say the US are keen to make a deal. If you're letting the US in the whole thing becomes meaningless. Highest number of cases, highest number of deaths - come on in!

And if I was another country I'd have us on the banned/isolation high risk list

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Read the story and a few lines in say the US are keen to make a deal. If you're letting the US in the whole thing becomes meaningless. Highest number of cases, highest number of deaths - come on in!

And if I was another country I'd have us on the banned/isolation high risk list

Shows how much Greece needs tourism for its economy. Ignoring that I mainly just want my holiday there to go ahead, the risk is all on Greece in letting British tourists in and it would be an easy and risk free PR win for the government.

 

[Ian1779]

Out of interest, what on earth happens to the key workers and their children now? Do they all have to isolate?!?

As they’ve all been in ‘contact‘ with the person infected they all have been told to self-isolate.. staff and students (and I guess their families too)

We haven’t been told the details but makes you wonder who contracted from who. If it was a staff member did they get from a child of a key worker? Or did child get from a staff member... or child to child....

What we need is some way to track the movement of the virus...

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

No the government have admitted it doesn't work yet. You've replied to a post where someone else linked to the government admitting this.

Are you a gold fish?

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Give it a fucking break David, do you get a buzz out of pissing people off?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Priti Patel has been doing just that.

In other news, get ready for all your data to end up with the CIA

On a slight tangent but relevant if anyone was still in doubt that the plan is to roll over and have our tummy tickled by the US a motion to outlaw chlorine washed chicken in future trade agreements was defeated. I think that says a lot about whether we intend to stand up for our own standards.

 

[David O'Day]

As they’ve all been in ‘contact‘ with the person infected they all have been told to self-isolate.. staff and students (and I guess their families too)

We haven’t been told the details but makes you wonder who contracted from who. If it was a staff member did they get from a child of a key worker? Or did child get from a staff member... or child to child....

What we need is some way to track the movement of the virus...

If only

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

On a slight tangent but relevant if anyone was still in doubt that the plan is to roll over and have our tummy tickled by the US a motion to outlaw chlorine washed chicken in future trade agreements was defeated. I think that says a lot about whether we intend to stand up for our own standards.

A deal at any cost

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Just good old common sense

'I think we should be more stricter like Spain, and none of us allowed out' he says while... choosing to be out?!?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Bet he's wishing he had missed it right now. Really exposed again without the back benchers behind him to shout everything down.

He was a bit better than last week but still got owned.

If they let it go back to the braying mob it'll be a travesty and show it's got nothing to do with accountability. I'd be quite happy for there to just be a weekly televised meeting between the PM and opposition leader with no-one else present. Then PMQ's can be used for all the fluff and constituency stuff.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He was a bit better than last week but still got owned.

If they let it go back to the braying mob it'll be a travesty and show it's got nothing to do with accountability. I'd be quite happy for there to just be a weekly televised meeting between the PM and opposition leader with no-one else present. Then PMQ's can be used for all the fluff and constituency stuff.

Even better once a month with the PM facing questions from the public.

 

[Skybluefaz]

'I think we should be more stricter like Spain, and none of us allowed out' he says while... choosing to be out?!?

I don't know either. Why the hell we continue to call it a lockdown when this kind of thing is going on.

 

[David O'Day]

Give it a fucking break David, do you get a buzz out of pissing people off?

No you asked me if l lived on the isle of wight in a sarcastic way. I pointed out you have already replied to a post that linked yo the story.

As you were saying

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Are you confident they will actually achieve that? Remember Hancock promising to “test 100,000 people per day” by the end of April? Here's the figures for May:

Still not close to the 100,000 a day let alone the 200,000 a day Johnson promised by the end of May.

He gives the impression he is making it up as he goes along, giving any answer that will take the pressure off him. Today he has promised huge pay rises to NHS staff despite the Treasury talking about public sector pay freezes, which one do we believe?

I was a bit annoyed that Starmer wasn't give a chance to reply to Johnson claim of wanting to see NHS workers properly paid by asking why he's consistently voted against pay rises for them and was part of the cheering mob that defeated a bill aimed to pay them more.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

As they’ve all been in ‘contact‘ with the person infected they all have been told to self-isolate.. staff and students (and I guess their families too)

We haven’t been told the details but makes you wonder who contracted from who. If it was a staff member did they get from a child of a key worker? Or did child get from a staff member... or child to child....

What we need is some way to track the movement of the virus...

Hmmm. What it also shows is we need a properly thought through system. We can't go through the next few months re-opening places, only to slam them shut every other week because somebody's got it - that'll end up more chaos then keeping everything shut!

As an aside, was speaking to a teacher earlier and, despite government promising to reflect, they're obviously still having to plan for opening up. That's time taken away from improving the online delivery of lessons, of course - all for something that might not actually happen in the end!

 

[David O'Day]

Even better once a month with the PM facing questions from the public.

No, have you seen the daily briefings with public questions.

Soft soap questions specially picked for him

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[David O'Day]

He was a bit better than last week but still got owned.

If they let it go back to the braying mob it'll be a travesty and show it's got nothing to do with accountability. I'd be quite happy for there to just be a weekly televised meeting between the PM and opposition leader with no-one else present. Then PMQ's can be used for all the fluff and constituency stuff.

They can't yet due to social distancing.

As the speaker said the chamber was at capacity so they can't safely get anymore people in.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

No, have you seen the daily briefings with public questions.

Soft soap questions specially picked for him

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No I mean the actual public in a studio

 

[shmmeee]

Just read this thread on Starmers use of PMQs which makes some good points:

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Even better once a month with the PM facing questions from the public.

I'd be ok with that as well as the PM v Opposition. Public don't necessarily have access to the same info and some just don't get it. Johnson would probably do quite well in that sort of scenario - gets to play his bumbling buffoon character.

Plus you'd get those that support the party going on to ask "does the PM agree with me that he's a top bloke" while those opposed could just become ranty and abusive and undo any credibility of holding to account.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They can't yet due to social distancing.

As the speaker said the chamber was at capacity so they can't safely get anymore people in.

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I meant once restrictions are removed.

 

[shmmeee]

I'd be ok with that as well as the PM v Opposition. Public don't necessarily have access to the same info and some just don't get it. Johnson would probably do quite well in that sort of scenario - gets to play his bumbling buffoon character.

Plus you'd get those that support the party going on to ask "does the PM agree with me that he's a top bloke" while those opposed could just become ranty and abusive and undo any credibility of holding to account.

Id much rather LOTO than the public, for a start they’ve got access to the HoC Library and the civil service rather than Facebook memes from their cousin Dave.

 

[David O'Day]

I meant once restrictions are removed.

Going to be a while

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[David O'Day]

Just read this thread on Starmers use of PMQs which makes some good points:

This was my point early. He is making Boris defeat himself

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'd be ok with that as well as the PM v Opposition. Public don't necessarily have access to the same info and some just don't get it. Johnson would probably do quite well in that sort of scenario - gets to play his bumbling buffoon character.

Plus you'd get those that support the party going on to ask "does the PM agree with me that he's a top bloke" while those opposed could just become ranty and abusive and undo any credibility of holding to account.

Which is why you would need to screen the questions and who's in the audience, but I think it should be more than once every 5 years that the PM bothers to take questions he might not wish to hear from the electorate

 

[chiefdave]

They can't yet due to social distancing.

As the speaker said the chamber was at capacity so they can't safely get anymore people in.

I meant once restrictions are removed.

Completely coincidentally after another week where the lack of a baying crowd has exposed Johnson the remote option is being removed and MPs have to return to the chamber.

Also, is this really the right time for a recess?

 

[chiefdave]

Give it a fucking break David, do you get a buzz out of pissing people off?

Can you not see the issue? It was only lunchtime today we had this:

Literally within a couple of hours we had this:

A smartphone app for tracking people who have been in contact with Covid-19 patients will not be ready for 1 June, when the next stage of the government’s relaxation of lockdown is due to begin, Downing Street has confirmed.

Junior health minister Lord Bethell indicated that the government was no longer trying to get the app - currently being trialled on the Isle of Wight - into action at the same time as the tracing teams.

Speaking late on Tuesday in the House of Lords, the peer said: “We have therefore changed the emphasis of our communications and plans to put human-contact tracing at the beginning of our plans and to regard the app as something that will come later in support.”

We've had weeks of being told how this app was vital. Any criticism of us going it alone and using a different app to the rest of the world was brushed aside with a vague 'stop being negative'. Now it turns out our state of the art system will be to do it all by hand. It's embarrassing.

 

[David O'Day]

Completely coincidentally after another week where the lack of a baying crowd has exposed Johnson the remote option is being removed and MPs have to return to the chamber.

Also, is this really the right time for a recess?

That just means less mps can speak at debates. At PMQs they are still limited by social distancing.

All you will see is MPs swapping in and out the chamber so more can speak at debates.

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Completely coincidentally after another week where the lack of a baying crowd has exposed Johnson the remote option is being removed and MPs have to return to the chamber.

Also, is this really the right time for a recess?

I am a little torn about them returning. I have said I want parliament to have to be early adopters of policy/legislation whereas they usually exempt themselves. I'm also not surprised JRM wants to return to tradition ASAP. But it is without doubt being done to bring in Johnson's backing vocalists.

I would say that if it's such an acceptable way of doing things why not make it so in court the other side can shout out etc rather than it being contempt of court. Why is it not contempt of parliament?

As for the recess, of course it's time - they work bloody hard! Unlike those layabout teachers doing sod all.....