Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (190 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

I'd just give up. Some on here just hate the Tories that much I'm convinced they dont want the death rate to decline as it gives them more ammo. Utterly bizarre.

But you’re a moron. What ever it is you’re convinced of is a figment of your moronic imagination.

 

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[David O'Day]

‘Dominic’ looool

Not going to answer as to why you knowing lie every single day?



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[clint van damme]

A dangerous second peak would be more economically damaging than extending the restrictions.


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yeah, and could potentially put the NHS under the sort of pressure everyone was worried about at the start of the outbreak. But I don't think we've left ourselves with any option than to take a risk.
There was even someone from the Daily Mail on the radio earlier who refused to defend the part time PMs handling of the crisis. That just shows how bad it is.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Are you seriously asking why citizens of the U.K. are complaining about the U.K. government response over the Swedish, German, or Chinese?

No, I said across the world the UK gets worse press than Sweden on this.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

yeah, and could potentially put the NHS under the sort of pressure everyone was worried about at the start of the outbreak. But I don't think we've left ourselves with any option than to take a risk.
There was even someone from the Daily Mail on the radio earlier who refused to defend the part time PMs handling of the crisis. That just shows how bad it is.

We’re gonna have to find a balance

 

[clint van damme]

No, I said across the world the UK gets worse press than Sweden on this.

Seriously question - how do you monitor the worlds press?
Sweden moved to the top of the per capita death rates this week and it was quite widely reported in publications I've looked at.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We’re gonna have to find a balance

What is an acceptable death rate, in your view?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

What is an acceptable death rate, in your view?

Obviously 0 but I can’t see how that is possible, I wouldn’t really like to put a number on it.... maybe similar to what spain and Italy are on?

 

[clint van damme]

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I have genuinely found this weeks figures a bit depressing. I honestly expected them to be better than they have been.

 

[fernandopartridge]

we probably will now. We can't keep the country shut and borrowing for furlough money and hand outs to the self employed.
We blew our chance at emulating what other countries have done. Lets hope for a miracle.

You're falling into a trap here, the furlough money and support for self employed is the only thing keeping the economy going as there is and still will be limited demand otherwise.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Obviously 0 but I can’t see how that is possible, I wouldn’t really like to put a number on it.... maybe similar to what spain and Italy are on?

I would hope for at least something below 100. Though Greece with its busted economy is at practically 0 already

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Seriously question - how do you monitor the worlds press?
Sweden moved to the top of the per capita death rates this week and it was quite widely reported in publications I've looked at.

I've read so many articles blasting the UK, mainly because I've got many friends (In Czech Republic, Germany, Russia, Spain, Netherlands, and Turkey to name a few) that have regularly been in touch asking what on earth is going on.

Quite a bit of the media I've seen is actively mocking us and they include articles about tory politicians that aren't even Boris.

Compare that with Sweden, and whilst I have seen critical articles, it is nowhere near on the scale than what we have had.

 

[shmmeee]

No, I said across the world the UK gets worse press than Sweden on this.

The U.K. has done a worse job than Sweden so far AFAIK. But Sweden’s had loads of criticism for relying on people to distance themselves and not forcing lockdown.

 

[Ian1779]

Funny how people talk about an acceptable death rate when it’s not them or their loved ones dying.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Seriously question - how do you monitor the worlds press?
Sweden moved to the top of the per capita death rates this week and it was quite widely reported in publications I've looked at.

The Guardian's been quite critical of their satrategy, to name but one so-called lefty rag...

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Funny how people talk about an acceptable death rate when it’s not them or their loved ones dying.

That’s why I said 0?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Funny how people talk about an acceptable death rate when it’s not them or their loved ones dying.

Dom said we can't keep locked down forever. So the question is relevant

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I've read so many articles blasting the UK, mainly because I've got many friends (In Czech Republic, Germany, Russia, Spain, Netherlands, and Turkey to name a few) that have regularly been in touch asking what on earth is going on.

Quite a bit of the media I've seen is actively mocking us and they include articles about tory politicians that aren't even Boris.

Compare that with Sweden, and whilst I have seen critical articles, it is nowhere near on the scale than what we have had.

They aren't top of the continental death charts

 

[shmmeee]

I still don’t get the issue here?

Are we implying other countries are leftie anti Boris types and that’s why they think we’re doing badly as opposed to because they data says we’re doing badly?

 

[skybluetony176]

No, I said across the world the UK gets worse press than Sweden on this.

Probably because Sweden is up front and very clearly about its strategy. The U.K. should be no where near as bad as it is considering that our government are claiming lockdown etc. That’s why the U.K. is getting scrutinised in the world press.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The Guardian's been quite critical of their satrategy, to name but one so-called lefty rag...

Yes, it has been critical to an extent. I've read articles on there about it. No need to make such a snide comment really.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

They aren't top of the continental death charts

Neither were we at one point.

 

[clint van damme]

I've read so many articles blasting the UK, mainly because I've got many friends (In Czech Republic, Germany, Russia, Spain, Netherlands, and Turkey to name a few) that have regularly been in touch asking what on earth is going on.

Quite a bit of the media I've seen is actively mocking us and they include articles about tory politicians that aren't even Boris.

Compare that with Sweden, and whilst I have seen critical articles, it is nowhere near on the scale than what we have had.

Let's be clear, our politicians deserve everything they are getting much and more.
Whether Sweden's politicians do as well doesn't really concern me to be honest.
But even if they do, that doesn't mean ours should be let of the hook.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Probably because Sweden is up front and very clearly about its strategy. The U.K. should be no where near as bad as it is considering that our government are claiming lockdown etc. That’s why the U.K. is getting scrutinised in the world press.

So are you saying it is true that we are getting a lot more stick?

I can't work it out. Some say I'm wrong, and some say I'm right for the wrong reasons.

It really does feel like it doesn't go down when you come on this thread and don't tow the narrative.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Neither were we at one point.

When Italy was in crisis at the start it got the lion's share of the coverage. Now it's 3 months on and we are clearly the worst, plus the second biggest economy on the continent. I don't really get your point, our government deserves to be the main focus for its awful handling of the outbreak and even now evidence is emerging that they ignored the SAGE recommendations on school reopening to go ahead with their own thing.

The government can't be trusted to keep its own citizens safe.

 

[clint van damme]

You're falling into a trap here, the furlough money and support for self employed is the only thing keeping the economy going as there is and still will be limited demand otherwise.

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True. But it's clear these schemes are being wound down.
People aren't going to accept lock down restrictions and no income.
That's why we needed to get it right during the lockdown and we haven't.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Let's be clear, our politicians deserve everything they are getting much and more.
Whether Sweden's politicians do as well doesn't really concern me to be honest.
But even if they do, that doesn't mean ours should be let of the hook.

I don't think ours should be left off the hook. I think some people are just surprised when I talk about another country because the frothing of tory bashing has to take a brief pause for a second.

I've said numerous times they have dealt with it appallingly.

My issue is that other countries are generally being let off the hook.

I haven't seen it published almost anywhere that Norway has closed its land border with Sweden for the first time in eleventy billion years, but in Turkey everyone knows who Matt Hancock is. It's mental.

As you said in your earlier post, you accept Germany's figures are completely out of line with the rest of the world. Why isn't that being talked about?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

When Italy was in crisis at the start it got the lion's share of the coverage. Now it's 3 months on and we are clearly the worst, plus the second biggest economy on the continent. I don't really get your point, our government deserves to be the main focus for its awful handling of the outbreak and even now evidence is emerging that they ignored the SAGE recommendations on school reopening to go ahead with their own thing.

The government can't be trusted to keep its own citizens safe.

I agree with your point about the UK inwardly looking, but I'm not talking about that.

See my reply to Clint for a bit more clarity.

 

[clint van damme]

So are you saying it is true that we are getting a lot more stick?

I can't work it out. Some say I'm wrong, and some say I'm right for the wrong reasons.

It really does feel like it doesn't go down when you come on this thread and don't tow the narrative.

What does it matter?
Our government has been poor, our death rate is high.
What comfort would you get from Sweden getting more stick in the world press if it is true that they are being treated less harshly?

 

[Skybluefaz]

4 months in and we are starting to put a system in place to control people coming into the country

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I agree with your point about the UK inwardly looking, but I'm not talking about that.

See my reply to Clint for a bit more clarity.

Well for starters the USA has got quite a lot of criticism on here and rightly so seeing as they're the worst on the planet. In the other cases, it's probably because we're British so have focused on what goes on in this country lest it go even more on a tangent than it already has. I reject the idea though that it's all about hitting the Tories-they're in charge and have fucked up. We could discuss Turkey sending infected refugees across the Greek border but it's probably of much less interest because it won't affect anyone here.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

What does it matter?
Our government has been poor, our death rate is high.
What comfort would you get from Sweden getting more stick in the world press if it is true that they are being treated less harshly?

So now you are kind of saying I might have a point, but that I just shouldn't care about it?

 

[skybluetony176]

So are you saying it is true that we are getting a lot more stick?

I can't work it out. Some say I'm wrong, and some say I'm right for the wrong reasons.

It really does feel like it doesn't go down when you come on this thread and don't tow the narrative.

I can’t say I’ve noticed but then I haven’t looked. But if we are the government has provided the ammunition. They’ve systematically failed. We had a lockdown that in many respects never was, we had the benefit of hindsight from being 2 weeks behind Italy and Spain only to squander it, we deliberately sent the disease into care homes, we have a PM who ignored his own advice and caught it etc etc etc etc. If the world press are knocking them over it’s only because Boris and co are standing them up. It’s a fuck up and a national disgrace, we have the second highest death toll in the western world when we really never should have if it had been handled correctly. I would be more shocked if the world press wasn’t talking about this embarrassment Boris has overseen.

 

[clint van damme]

I don't think ours should be left off the hook. I think some people are just surprised when I talk about another country because the frothing of tory bashing has to take a brief pause for a second.

I've said numerous times they have dealt with it appallingly.

My issue is that other countries are generally being let off the hook.

I haven't seen it published almost anywhere that Norway has closed its land border with Sweden for the first time in eleventy billion years, but in Turkey everyone knows who Matt Hancock is. It's mental.

As you said in your earlier post, you accept Germany's figures are completely out of line with the rest of the world. Why isn't that being talked about?

But this is our country and therefore our main concern
It works the other way in that countries who have done a great job of controlling it don't get mentioned that often either.

I have a daughter working as a carer who was struggling to get PPE, their are people on here with relatives who work for the NHS, people with young kids that are being returned to return to s to, Why would we be more concerned with What is going on in Sweden or Germany?