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Walsgrave

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Doesn’t everyone qualify for sixth form or college anyway now the leaving age is 18? Surely the capacity is there, it’s just the courses? In which case if everyone’s inflated then it all trickles down and you just up the requirements.

As soon as the exams were cancelled there was going to be issues.
That's exactly the issue we're seeing with universities. At an aggregate level, the capacity is there. The courses that are unduly frowned upon e.g. vocational will be ditched in favour of, for instance, Maths, and we'll have a situation where there are not enough Maths teachers to meet the demand, to the detriment of those who would have qualified if the exams had taken place.

So they'll have to either raise the entry requirements for individual courses to account for the fact that, for instance, being in the top 40% of the cohort meant that you got at least a B before whereas it now means you must have achieved an A and adjust accordingly. That itself has huge issues, as the universities are seeing that the government is insisting that offers must be honoured with the retrospective change to the grading distribution. And then many courses that are very worthwhile pursuing will take a hit to funding. It's going to be really unsustainable.
 

shmmeee

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That's exactly the issue we're seeing with universities. At an aggregate level, the capacity is there. The courses that are unduly frowned upon e.g. vocational will be ditched in favour of, for instance, Maths, and we'll have a situation where there are not enough Maths teachers to meet the demand, to the detriment of those who would have qualified if the exams had taken place.

So they'll have to either raise the entry requirements for individual courses to account for the fact that, for instance, being in the top 40% of the cohort meant that you got at least a B before whereas it now means you must have achieved an A and adjust accordingly. That itself has huge issues, as the universities are seeing that the government is insisting that offers must be honoured with the retrospective change to the grading distribution. And then many courses that are very worthwhile pursuing will take a hit to funding. It's going to be really unsustainable.

Only way to do it though. I mean entry requirements really are just that anyway in the main, a way to apportion limited resources.

I agree it’s going to be an admin clusterfuck and the government will need to be far more competent than they are to keep institutions and for that matter individual teachers going until it returns to normal.
 

Ian1779

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I have heard many stories of students who by heir own admission admit they were not going to reach their predicted grades this year stating that they will 'have a go' for Medical schools and other top university courses. It was a catastrophic decision to cancel the exams.

As much as I disagreed with the algorithm, the reversion to teachers' grades is causing much more problems, for years down the line, than the algorithm ever would have.

At least with the non inflated results, there would have been a legitimate basis for students who did not sit the exam to reapply to university, say 'look, it wasn't my fault that the algorithm judged me, give me a chance to prove to you by taking the exam'. The appeals process would have taken a long time, but it would have been much more equitable. Now, we have, at an aggregate level, a cohort that is overqualified (by definition exams level the playing field); who will deny worthy students next year and potentially years to come a place they have earned at university; and who are potentially setting themselves up for failure by being on paper qualified for things they otherwise would not qualify for.

I know of people who by heir own admission have received the predicted grades they would otherwise not have been capable of cramming for. They get the benefit of the doubt, but at the expense of students from next year. I feel sorry for those who remained downgraded by their teachers' predictions - they've not done any less than those who have been handed the top grades, yet they find themselves in a situation where they will probably have to go to some retake centre or FE college (which themselves are likely to be drained of cash in view of the fact that most people will be flocking to sixth forms with their inflated grades). They have been left behind through no fault of their own.

Also, the knock on effect will be massive. Tomorrow's GCSE results will qualify thousands more for sixth forms when they otherwise would not have, and it does no one any favours. Sixth forms are going to be overloaded, in a year where we are meant to be socially distancing.
The biggest failing of the algorithm was that it failed to take into account a similar process that had happened in school. Granted that hadn’t been done consistently as it could have been, but schools that tried to do things in the right way were doubly penalised.
As for the GCSE’s - schools already have to find a way to accommodate more and more post-16 as from now students have to be in education until 18 (I think that’s actually the next cohort through to be fair) - suitability for courses in school will still generally be down to teacher discretion unless you have widespread movement in post-16 which varies massively from region to region.
 

Walsgrave

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The biggest failing of the algorithm was that it failed to take into account a similar process that had happened in school. Granted that hadn’t been done consistently as it could have been, but schools that tried to do things in the right way were doubly penalised.
As for the GCSE’s - schools already have to find a way to accommodate more and more post-16 as from now students have to be in education until 18 (I think that’s actually the next cohort through to be fair) - suitability for courses in school will still generally be down to teacher discretion unless you have widespread movement in post-16 which varies massively from region to region.
Interesting - I originally thought that since 2014 or so all young people have to be in some form of training or education until 18 - is this to make it a full time thing?
I can't see the grade inflation being too much of an issue in schools where teachers know their students well and they won't get that many i from elsewhere. It will be chaos for sixth form colleges etc though, where teachers have less then two years to pick up the pieces - gauging where their students are, and getting them to where they need to be. They also do not have the certainty about whether these students will be up to scratch, what with them not even having taking the exam and all.
 

Ian1779

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Interesting - I originally thought that since 2014 or so all young people have to be in some form of training or education until 18 - is this to make it a full time thing?
I can't see the grade inflation being too much of an issue in schools where teachers know their students well and they won't get that many i from elsewhere. It will be chaos for sixth form colleges etc though, where teachers have less then two years to pick up the pieces - gauging where their students are, and getting them to where they need to be. They also do not have the certainty about whether these students will be up to scratch, what with them not even having taking the exam and all.
Of course the guidance is unclear at best - but essentially it’s heading towards a position where this is mandatory. What that will practically look like in a years time is anyone’s guess, with technical colleges going down the T level route, schools and 6th form colleges with have to pick up all the academic routes. Will apprenticeships still be viable options especially in a post Cov-ID economy? Will they have to make allowances for those that just want to go out and work full time at 16 (with or without training) can those employers that will probably be already in financial hardship afford to compensate for a day in college?
Our school has a cohort of 240 a year - there is no way on earth we could keep them into Y12. We don’t have the space or the capacity in terms of staffing to provide courses for them, and I won’t hold my breath in expecting to see an increase in funding to make this happen.

I get your point about 6th form colleges in general - no previous knowledge of kids which will make things harder, but in most cases teachers will have been responsible enough to know that an excessively inflated grade will do even more damage long term if students are then put on courses they lack the capability of accessing.
 

clint van damme

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Bringing mates in to do a (shit) job happens alls the time in the civil service, but not running a tending process to cover one's ass is something only that that gove-cummings axis would have the audacity to do.

Dido Hardings latest appointment needs investigating, unfortunately even if it was the investigation would be lead by her husband!
Lets get that useful idiot Farage on a beach pointing at dinghies - that will distract them.

People in this country won't realise how fucking stupid they've been until they're going bankrupt paying for cancer treatment and then it will be too late.
 

shmmeee

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Dido Hardings latest appointment needs investigating, unfortunately even if it was the investigation would be lead by her husband!
Lets get that useful idiot Farage on a beach pointing at dinghies - that will distract them.

People in this country won't realise how fucking stupid they've been until they're going bankrupt paying for cancer treatment and then it will be too late.

But LIBRULS ARE DESTROYING BRITAIN!!!
 

chiefdave

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The genius that is Matt Hancock has declared there is no reason not to go back to offices as the track and trace stats show the level of transmission in offices, which have of course been largely closed with people working from home, is relatively low. Oddly it seems there are experts who don't agree with him.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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The genius that is Matt Hancock has declared there is no reason not to go back to offices as the track and trace stats show the level of transmission in offices, which have of course been largely closed with people working from home, is relatively low. Oddly it seems there are experts who don't agree with him.

When we entered lockdown there was virtually no cars on the roads and people were walking down the middle of the road to social distance and the risk of being run over was negligible. This is therefore proof that you can safely walk in the road.

If the roaring success of our world-leading track and trace came back with those figures I'll take it with just a smidge of salt.
 

David O'Day

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Cov cases up to 23 per 100,000 on the latest rolling 7 day average. This needs watching to see what the trend says like as the rolling 7 day average can be push up and then down by clusters.
 

wingy

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If this is accurate it's a bit bothering.

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fernandopartridge

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If this is accurate it's a bit bothering.

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I saw a thread on twitter about it, not good at all.
 

ajsccfc

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I'm not really all that worried about it to be honest, mainly because I'm fairly sure we've all had it. Literally the first day she went though she brought me back a stinking cold the next day, someone warned me to take a week off work when she starts but I thought they were joking!
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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If this is accurate it's a bit bothering.

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It would make sense as I imagine the huge majority are asymptomatic to an even greater extent than adults.
 

David O'Day

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If they did try and lock down CV6 how would it work as on loads of street next door neighbours are either cv2 or cv6
 
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Another u-turn incoming. Having insisted the eviction ban wouldn't be extended past this weekend guess what.
Athough tbf, that may not be a bad thing?

Out of interest, what happens if you as landlord can't afford to keep the property anymore? You tend not to be able to sell them easily with a sit-in tenant, especially one who's not paying rent...
 

chiefdave

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Athough tbf, that may not be a bad thing?

Out of interest, what happens if you as landlord can't afford to keep the property anymore? You tend not to be able to sell them easily with a sit-in tenant, especially one who's not paying rent...
Not a bad thing but why does everything need a campaign and a last minute u-turn. A lot of unnecessary stress for people who are struggling at the moment and thought the eviction process would start up next week.

The advise for landlords seems to be the same as that for homeowners. Speak to your lender and apply for a mortgage holiday.

Don't think anything was ever put in place to ensure lenders gave holidays, think you just had to follow the normal process and hope for the best. Of course most lenders allow a maximum of three months for a mortgage holiday so there's an obvious issue that doesn't seem to have been addressed.
 
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Not a bad thing but why does everything need a campaign and a last minute u-turn. A lot of unnecessary stress for people who are struggling at the moment and thought the eviction process would start up next week.

The advise for landlords seems to be the same as that for homeowners. Speak to your lender and apply for a mortgage holiday.

Don't think anything was ever put in place to ensure lenders gave holidays, think you just had to follow the normal process and hope for the best. Of course most lenders allow a maximum of three months for a mortgage holiday so there's an obvious issue that doesn't seem to have been addressed.
There's also the fact you still need to pay for maintenance, and if you've lost your job, may need the capital.
 

chiefdave

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CV6 has potential for a local lockdown
Across the whole of England positive tests have risen 27% in a week, despite the number of tests dropping. Hospital admission and patients on ventilators doesn't seem to be going up though which I guess is good news. No idea if that is the virus becoming 'weaker', its younger people getting infected who don't seem to be as badly affected or treatment improving.

We're only just over a week away from schools reopening which Whitty suggested would require a trade off with something else closing yet there has been no mention of that despite rising rates.
 
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Across the whole of England positive tests have risen 27% in a week, despite the number of tests dropping. Hospital admission and patients on ventilators doesn't seem to be going up though which I guess is good news. No idea if that is the virus becoming 'weaker', its younger people getting infected who don't seem to be as badly affected or treatment improving.

We're only just over a week away from schools reopening which Whitty suggested would require a trade off with something else closing yet there has been no mention of that despite rising rates.
It's younger people being affected, in the main.
 

Ian1779

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Across the whole of England positive tests have risen 27% in a week, despite the number of tests dropping. Hospital admission and patients on ventilators doesn't seem to be going up though which I guess is good news. No idea if that is the virus becoming 'weaker', its younger people getting infected who don't seem to be as badly affected or treatment improving.

We're only just over a week away from schools reopening which Whitty suggested would require a trade off with something else closing yet there has been no mention of that despite rising rates.
I’m here looking at the situation in Northampton where I teach wondering if they are going to go into local lockdown. The rate is much higher than Birmingham currently. There seems little in terms of potential planning if they were to do some trade-offs to ensure schools open next month.
 

Evo1883

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Spoke to an ambulance driver couple days ago who said coventrys University hospital hadn't had any admissions for quite a few days... Don't know if he actually knows or not
 

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