Possibly but I’m with Hill in this, most of the breaking of rules happens after 11/midnight. I don’t see everyone starting earlier and getting in the same state. This in conjunction with stricter rules implemented at bars/pubs (got to be enforced), and stopping people all piling back round someone’s house (now banned) might just help. Soon find out
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Brighton Sky Blue
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They have been open for months Steve but the spike has only taken off since one thing in particular reopened.
David O'Day
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People will just start earlier, at the end of the first lockdown most pubs shut at 11 and between 9 and 11 it was carnage. Also people will still pile back to someones.
There is no epidemiological reasoning behind it. It's wanting to be seen to be doing something but not doing enough as doing enough would entail having to financially support the hospitality industry and the people who work in it.
There is no epidemiological reasoning behind it. It's wanting to be seen to be doing something but not doing enough as doing enough would entail having to financially support the hospitality industry and the people who work in it.
I don’t think there’s epidemiological evidence for a fair few of the decisions made to date by ours and a lot of other countries.
Let’s see, if people follow the rules (in particular the piling back to the house one) it might work but the country will be divided on this point. My ex is saying the curfews a load of bollocks, my best mates joking about starting at 10am and social media will be in meltdown we haven’t locked everyone in their houses
Agreed. Having said that I think the recent spike infection seemed to also coincide/start with some not so good weather 2-3 weeks back (and then bank hols) whereby I’m guessing more people were inside than in beer gardens/outside for bbqs etc (for full disclose purposes I’m saying this as someone who’s been out pretty much every Friday and Saturday night since 4/7 - so have a vested interest in hoping/believing its school spread !!!). Who knows, I agree though, schools will always be a large transmission area even if kids apparently don’t appear to get and transmit it as much/easily as much as adults - not sure if this is 100% but read it from a couple of studies
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Different day, different message
www.theguardian.com
plans to bring 80% of civil servants back to work by the end of the month had now been put on hold
Suits me Sir.
Coronavirus: work from home if you can, Gove says in government U-turn
Minister announces ‘shift in emphasis’ in England as coronavirus infections soar
plans to bring 80% of civil servants back to work by the end of the month had now been put on hold
Suits me Sir.
Sky Blue Pete
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You put your whole self inDifferent day, different message
Coronavirus: work from home if you can, Gove says in government U-turn
Minister announces ‘shift in emphasis’ in England as coronavirus infections soar
plans to bring 80% of civil servants back to work by the end of the month had now been put on hold
Suits me Sir.
Your whole self out
clint van damme
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I think they'd be better ensuring that places are complying with the current guidelines.
Some aren't bothering too much whether it's 2 in the afternoon or 10 at night and there are others that are so the time thing is a bit of a smokescreen if you ask me.
Ring Of Steel
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You think? Here's 11 examples to get us started.
U-turn if you want to: 11 times Boris Johnson reversed government policy
Margaret Thatcher once famously said "You turn if you want to, the lady's not for turning!" as she faced suggestions she was about to U-turn on government policy - but it seems her latest successor isn't as afraid to reverse his plans.
You think? Here's 11 examples to get us started.
U-turn if you want to: 11 times Boris Johnson reversed government policy
Margaret Thatcher once famously said "You turn if you want to, the lady's not for turning!" as she faced suggestions she was about to U-turn on government policy - but it seems her latest successor isn't as afraid to reverse his plans.news.sky.com
I’m talking about the WFH/curfew stuff.
David O'Day
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This is the thing, they can't control but do need to be seen to be doing something.
Ring Of Steel
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No idea whether the curfew stuff is a U turn but I have no clue whatsoever what one hour is going to do, it seems completely random and I fail to understand what difference chucking out at 10pm will do as opposed to 11pm. Weird.
shmmeee
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Agreed. But I think people (me) were pretty pissed off at government sticking their nose in on working practices when there looked like a chance of mutually agreed progress, so will have a little gloat now.
clint van damme
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I know they have inspectors, (my mates gym got inspected the first week after opening), maybe they should employ a few more, it's not like there isn't a growing army of people out of work.
Might pay for itself in the long run if it keeps places open and compliant.
shmmeee
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That would require forward planning only cucked Libs care about forward planning.
It’s the uncertainty of all this that will kill us. If we knew we were in lockdown for a bit there’s a lot of reorganisation of the economy we could do. Home delivery drivers and supermarket pickers for a start.
Some kind of scheme where minimum wage staff could take temporary jobs during hospitality lockdown and be repurposed to work with supermarkets and other delivery options would be good. No idea how you’d start to administer it though.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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The first week the bars & restaurants opened after lockdown, I went to several & all offered safe, considered & secure service.
3 months on & I stuck me head in a couple of bars in town early saturday evening but left almost immediately.....NOT covid secure in any way shape or form.
Some of these establishments need a temporary closure order & a fine for endangering public health.
I know they've lost a huge chunk of revenue but trying to claw it back by disregarding the safety of their staff & customers has meant any sympathy I had for them has evaporated....
...and just to add fuel to my local fire, here come about 45,000 students......
we're doomed!
3 months on & I stuck me head in a couple of bars in town early saturday evening but left almost immediately.....NOT covid secure in any way shape or form.
Some of these establishments need a temporary closure order & a fine for endangering public health.
I know they've lost a huge chunk of revenue but trying to claw it back by disregarding the safety of their staff & customers has meant any sympathy I had for them has evaporated....
...and just to add fuel to my local fire, here come about 45,000 students......
we're doomed!
Ccfcisparks
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The WFH/ Curfew stuff is counter productive if pubs, schools, shops stay open regardless. If you are going to be serious about stopping the spread again they can't be half arsed about it.
David O'Day
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From the governments own data.
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It's hard to take him seriously though, as all the leaking suggests he's doing what's popular in his party, rather than what he thinks is right.I don’t think there’s epidemiological evidence for a fair few of the decisions made to date by ours and a lot of other countries.
Let’s see, if people follow the rules (in particular the piling back to the house one) it might work but the country will be divided on this point. My ex is saying the curfews a load of bollocks, my best mates joking about starting at 10am and social media will be in meltdown we haven’t locked everyone in their houses
Can't think of another Prime Minister who'd not try and lead people along, rather than following whatever everybody else tells him to do. Even May tried to pull people with her, she just couldn't manage it with no majority - Johnson doesn't even have that excuse.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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To be fair, thats states "outbreaks" as opposed to cases......and outbreaks are far easier to track, trace & record, especially in the environments shown as, by their very definition, you have a full documented record of whos been in, out & shaking it all about.
From my experience in the boozers just this weekend, I've been drinking alongside a Mr. Mickey Mouse, Mr. Billy Nomates, Mr. C U Jimmy & Dixie Dean.....
Brighton Sky Blue
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There was a confirmed case in my OH’s school. Track and trace said they didn’t need to send a year group home-but then a teacher who worked with the student has also gone home with symptoms.
stay_up_skyblues
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A primary school local to us had a year sent home as two pupils tested positive. All pupils in the class told to isolate.
One of the pupil’s mum works with my missus at a special needs school (all children there severely disabled and in the at risk category). Missus’ colleague asked if she need to isolate also.... the answer - no, keep coming to work but request a test. And so her elderly mum has to come to their house and look after the child isolating.
As an aside, she called for a test and the closest available was in mid-Wales.
It’s easy to see how it spreads. Shame on my missus’ school if there is an outbreak there and something awful happens to one of the disabled children.
Sky Blue Pete
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Interesting things happening at my kids school
Yr12 pupil tested positive so all his classes are now isolating at home.
Yr 8 pupil tested positive whole year now isolating at home
My lad had cold and a bit of a cough so off Friday and Monday. Did the online questions to check if test required said not. Expecting school to send him home today but nothing yet.
Also positive case in our office at work. As they’d not been in 72 hours before the positive test no action necessary as per protocol agreed with unions.
It does seem daft to not be a bit wiser about schools. Contact tracing would identify close contacts. There’s no way every member of yr8 is a close contact of the person who is positive
Also in France they’ve just changed the rules to say nothing happens with just 1 case but if there are 3 in a class then isolation becomes necessary.
I’m happy this is really hard
Hancock saying grandparents can take care of kids is just plain stupid and similar to his nonsense about putting a protective ring around care homes at the same time as forcing care homes to take positive patients out of hospital and untested patients out of hospital
Yr12 pupil tested positive so all his classes are now isolating at home.
Yr 8 pupil tested positive whole year now isolating at home
My lad had cold and a bit of a cough so off Friday and Monday. Did the online questions to check if test required said not. Expecting school to send him home today but nothing yet.
Also positive case in our office at work. As they’d not been in 72 hours before the positive test no action necessary as per protocol agreed with unions.
It does seem daft to not be a bit wiser about schools. Contact tracing would identify close contacts. There’s no way every member of yr8 is a close contact of the person who is positive
Also in France they’ve just changed the rules to say nothing happens with just 1 case but if there are 3 in a class then isolation becomes necessary.
I’m happy this is really hard
Hancock saying grandparents can take care of kids is just plain stupid and similar to his nonsense about putting a protective ring around care homes at the same time as forcing care homes to take positive patients out of hospital and untested patients out of hospital
Sky Blue Pete
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You may have seen that the tests go live for the following day on line at 8pm.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The argument made was the student had not been in for a few days. But you are most infectious before the symptoms even appear, so there’s no logic in it.
Liquid Gold
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Is it reasonably agreed that kids are basically invincible to this, you can't spread it following being infected and you can't pick it up twice yet?
If so couldn't you just throw a massive pox party for all the kids, supervised by adults that have recovered, then once they've got it and get better they won't be taking back to kill their grandparents?
If so couldn't you just throw a massive pox party for all the kids, supervised by adults that have recovered, then once they've got it and get better they won't be taking back to kill their grandparents?
Summer camps would have been the option.
Afraid parents would be too cautious to facilitate this.
Then who would supervise it?
David O'Day
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Most people give their real names though.
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Picking up twice hasn't been proven or disproven yet.
Grendel
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The general consensus is that only 2 people have been infected twice so stastically its highly unlikely and certainly within a 3-4 month time frame
Sky Blue Pete
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Not true you are most infectious when you have symptoms. You are infectious about 3 days before and 10 days agree but the curve peaks when you have symptoms (if you have symptoms!!!!!)
Brighton Sky Blue
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A teacher who can be reinfected in the autumn
Sky Blue Pete
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There is no confirmed immunity from having the virus. This has been known since March