Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (184 Viewers)

[Tommo1993]

How can you refuse anyone entry or kick them out? If someone says they have an exemption you're not allowed to question it. From what has been said on here in other countries its been wear a mask at all times when you leave the house. Simple, easy to follow and totally unambiguous.

I do believe it should be more enforced in supermarkets which are a hot spot.

 

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[xcraigx]

The last few posts have been refreshing to see. I had the misfortune of visiting my facebook feed earlier and the amount of COVID deniers is quite frankly astounding. It's going to take a long time to get things under control if so many people are so paranoid / moronic.

 

[clint van damme]

I do believe it should be more enforced in supermarkets which are a hot spot.

I was in Cornwall 2 weeks ago and they would not let you in a shop without a mask.
Cov and Brum - not seen it enforced once

 

[Tommo1993]

I might regret asking this, but do you guys think we had the whole story, or true story, or anything even a bit close to it, re the origin?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Almost like they are economically illiterate, It would also cost more to keep 2 people at 33% (the minimum to qualify) hours.

For each person they would have to pay the 33% basic and then top up an extra 22% meaning that for 66% FTE hours they are paying 110% FTE wages.

I think the aim of it is to make people work at least 55% of the time in reality, they have just misrepresented it for a headline. The reality is that the government is really willing to pay a subsidy of 22% subject to an employer paying 55%. Shite.

 

[fernandopartridge]

If there is one thing I will say, irrespective of what you believe... Just follow the fucking rules, put a mask on... Isolate when necessary and stop being a c**t.

I've not always lapped up everything but I always follow the fucking rules and restrictions, even if you think its stupid just sigh and do what's asked of you... It's really not hard

Yep, a few months of it isn't going to change your life forever. Wankers.

 

[Grendel]

The talk going into the announcement, which given how this government operates presumably was 'leaked' to the media, was that Sunak would introduce a similar scheme to Germany.

From what I can make out, and I could have this completely wrong as its going off a quick google, the German scheme sees the state pay 60 or 67% depending on if you have children (increasing to increased to 70 or 77% after 4 months and 80 or 87% after 7 months). The cost to the employer remains the same. Am I missing something or is this scheme nothing like the German one?

It almost seems like its designed so that the government can say they did something rather than a serious attempt to avoid mass redundancies.

It is similar as the German scheme is a scheme which is a part time lay off scheme. It’s not really a furlough scheme - France is also now similar with caveats that make full time lay offs impossible

 

[Grendel]

I think the aim of it is to make people work at least 55% of the time in reality, they have just misrepresented it for a headline. The reality is that the government is really willing to pay a subsidy of 22% subject to an employer paying 55%. Shite.

Germany will not allow full time lay offs on their scheme

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It is similar as the German scheme is a scheme which is a part time lay off scheme. It’s not really a furlough scheme - France is also now similar with caveats that make full time lay offs impossible

Which sort of scheme would you prefer?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I might regret asking this, but do you guys think we had the whole story, or true story, or anything even a bit close to it, re the origin?

Yes. These things have happened through history, and we've been lucky with swine flu, ebola etc

 

[Grendel]

Which sort of scheme would you prefer?

Id prefer the economy to re-open fully as the majority of the working population are going to have to live with the virus m

The majority of German workers have been working mostly through this. Our total lockdown of jobs was absurd

 

[Kieranp96]

Yes. These things have happened through history, and we've been lucky with swine flu, ebola etc

Imagine if ebola was able to get into a more advance cou try like here or China half the world would be dead.

 

[Kieranp96]

Id prefer the economy to re-open fully as the majority of the working population are going to have to live with the virus m

The majority of German workers have been working mostly through this. Our total lockdown of jobs was absurd

Germany went I to full lockdown, as did Spain France Italy China Iran Israel and many more countrys.

 

[Grendel]

Germany went I to full lockdown, as did Spain France Italy China Iran Israel and many more countrys.

BMW started production in April and were back to full capacity in May

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I’m not surprised but we can all blame the youngsters so that’s ok

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Absolutely agree that everyone has to follow the isolation rules.

The report the data is pulled from seems to suggest that childcare and not being able to afford time of work as being two major contributors to the high numbers. Would seem to indicate that we don't have the right support systems in place for people who need to isolate.

Lack of tests will be contributing as well I suspect. If you feel well but are told to isolate a negative test would release you back into the world. If you can't get a test, or aren't eligible for a test, is that prompting people to just ignore the instructed isolation?

Think you can get a home one without any problem

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The last few posts have been refreshing to see. I had the misfortune of visiting my facebook feed earlier and the amount of COVID deniers is quite frankly astounding. It's going to take a long time to get things under control if so many people are so paranoid / moronic.

650 doctors and nurses have died but yep just influenza

 

[skybluetony176]

BMW started production in April and were back to full capacity in May

The benefits of a competent government.

 

[fernandopartridge]

BMW started production in April and were back to full capacity in May

Yes because

1. Germany doesn't have a massive service economy like the UK, they're still majority productive industry. In non public facing jobs. Manufacturers here didn't shut down to the same extent as other businesses where they had orders to fulfil.
2. They did mass testing quickly and established track and trace. The UK still hasn't really managed to do this.

 

[Grendel]

Yes because

1. Germany doesn't have a massive service economy like the UK, they're still majority productive industry. In non public facing jobs. Manufacturers here didn't shut down to the same extent as other businesses where they had orders to fulfil.
2. They did mass testing quickly and established track and trace. The UK still hasn't really managed to do this.

France opened production in April - it’s not actually anything to do with track and trace it’s because we had a full shutdown option

 

[Kieranp96]

The benefits of a competent government.

No government is competent.

 

[skybluetony176]

No government is competent.

A fair point. In comparison to ours though...

 

[Kieranp96]

A fair point. In comparison to ours though...

I honestly believe we are better of as of right now with conservatives in, Labour are all sorts of fucked and have been for a bit.

Edit: I'm a Labour supporter when they actually have a decent leader, not JC.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I honestly believe we are better of as of right now with conservatives in, Labour are all sorts of fucked and have been for a bit.

Edit: I'm a Labour supporter when they actually have a decent leader, not JC.

They got rid of JC as leader months ago

 

[Kieranp96]

They got rid of JC as leader months ago

I know, but we haven't had a ge since he resigned have we?

 

[Grendel]

They got rid of JC as leader months ago

Hasn’t Dodds backed Sunaks scheme from what I can make out from her rather rambling response?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Id prefer the economy to re-open fully as the majority of the working population are going to have to live with the virus m

The majority of German workers have been working mostly through this. Our total lockdown of jobs was absurd

I don't know a single colleague who doesn't want to scrap the restrictions and do the job normally. The way I'm attempting to deliver a practical subject in random rooms confined to a box and unable to hand a sheet to a student is almost comical if it weren't me doing it

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I honestly believe we are better of as of right now with conservatives in, Labour are all sorts of fucked and have been for a bit.

Edit: I'm a Labour supporter when they actually have a decent leader, not JC.

There is a shortage of skilled politicians of both red and blue varieties, but I'd prefer to have Starmer in now instead of Johnson. And that's mostly because the latter is in the running for worst post-war PM

 

[Kieranp96]

There is a shortage of skilled politicians of both red and blue varieties, but I'd prefer to have Starmer in now instead of Johnson. And that's mostly because the latter is in the running for worst post-war PM

Why do you say that? He has achieved more in his short time than maybe the past 5/6 pms

 

[David O'Day]

I think the aim of it is to make people work at least 55% of the time in reality, they have just misrepresented it for a headline. The reality is that the government is really willing to pay a subsidy of 22% subject to an employer paying 55%. Shite.

It's proper fucking shite

 

[Sick Boy]

I dont get the logic in closing the pubs at 10? What do they think it is going to change?

It's all about being seen to be doing something.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Why do you say that? He has achieved more in his short time than maybe the past 5/6 pms

Let's see

1. Oversaw the worst death toll from COVID on the continent by allowing it to run riot in care homes and by not locking down anywhere near soon enough. Couldn't be bothered to enforce restrictions even when they were introduced.

2. Told a pack of lies on Brexit which are already coming to roost and has put the union in its weakest position possibly since it was founded

3. Schools-nuff sed

4. Breaking the law last year to force through his Brexit proposal, and trying to break international law this year to get around his shit deal on Northern Ireland

5. Failing to bin off Cummings after he broke the COVID rules in absurd fashion

6. Binning off anyone competent from the Cabinet based on their Brexit stance

Honestly I could go on for quite a while and he's barely been in office a year-he's a national embarrassment who should be nowhere near No. 10

 

[CCFCSteve]

Pretty disgraceful really. I was less than impressed when Johnson talked about people not following rules this week (as I think as a country we have followed measures pretty well overall, especially during lockdown) but guessing this is what he was talking about.

Two caveats. I can’t imagine people leaving the house and going for a walk outside with a mask on as being a huge risk. Also a quirk with the trace and track text system whereby you need to continue to isolate for the full 14 days even if your test comes back as negative and you dont have symtoms. Weird !

Surely two weeks, to both protect others at higher risk, as well as also minimise risk of a further stiricter lockdown for everyone, is not too much to ask though !

ps waiting for various people to crunch numbers of new employment scheme but despite some negative comments on here, seen positive responses from TUC and CBI. No scheme is going to be without it’s faults (it feels a bit clunky) but hopefully it will help keep large numbers borderline redundancies in work. As already mentioned on here though, one major issue is elements of hospitality that can’t operate at all (due to government measures) such as nightclubs and theatres, don’t appear to be getting any help....hope this is to follow.

 

[Kieranp96]

Let's see

1. Oversaw the worst death toll from COVID on the continent by allowing it to run riot in care homes and by not locking down anywhere near soon enough. Couldn't be bothered to enforce restrictions even when they were introduced.

2. Told a pack of lies on Brexit which are already coming to roost and has put the union in its weakest position possibly since it was founded

3. Schools-nuff sed

4. Breaking the law last year to force through his Brexit proposal, and trying to break international law this year to get around his shit deal on Northern Ireland

5. Failing to bin off Cummings after he broke the COVID rules in absurd fashion

6. Binning off anyone competent from the Cabinet based on their Brexit stance

Honestly I could go on for quite a while and he's barely been in office a year-he's a national embarrassment who should be nowhere near No. 10

Let me guess you voted remain...

The death toll is only so high because we record deaths diffrent to everywhere bar America, give it a few years after the virus has cleared and it will come out the true statistics.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Hasn’t Dodds backed Sunaks scheme from what I can make out from her rather rambling response?

Probably but she's atrocious