Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (7 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Thats the point, you stop it overwhelming services and give them a chance to regroup.



Delusional.

Politics Isn’t sport mate. It’s OK to criticise when your team fucks up. When you find yourself claiming every other country on earth is lying about deaths and ours are the only honest ones it’s probably time to step back and have a word with yourself.

If nobody else is laughing maybe the joke wasn’t funny

 

[David O'Day]

Feel free to name them may as well drop. Proof why you are there, as far as I'm aware Germany were the closest and they have stopped most there support now

You mean Germany and it's 24 month Furlough scheme?

Do you actually look up anything you talk about?

 

[Skybluefaz]

We have been the most generous in support not one other cou try I can think has gave as much aid as our government, on the deaths how many of them cou trys have recorded deaths the same way we have? It's a non starter of a argument.

If the government didn't balls it up so monumentally at the start of the virus they wouldn't have had to spend so much money. When your pm nearly kills himself by shaking hands with coronavirus patients and proudly boasting about it at that, what chance have you got?

 

[David O'Day]

Our furlough scheme is better than that, I know it's ending, it shouldnt be but still. 60% wage if your business is forced to shit down is cracking, I've worked throughout the whole pandemic from home, for like 5 mo ths I was on 80% wage.

It's more and better support you daft c**t. 24 months and not throwing people into jobless during an outbreak.

You are done

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I didn't realise American schools are shut. How bad's it going to get over there if they re-open?

 

[djr8369]

Our furlough scheme is better than that, I know it's ending, it shouldnt be but still. 60% wage if your business is forced to shit down is cracking, I've worked throughout the whole pandemic from home, for like 5 mo ths I was on 80% wage.

You worked throughout but were on 80% wages?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Thought this was interesting- heat map day by day. You can see the impact lockdown had, and it gets pretty grim at the end..

 

[chiefdave]

What can be done then doffently. Please explain as I see every cou try in the world is fucked apart from China coincidentally.

Some of the issues we have now goes back to before covid. Lack of funding the NHS - every winter just with regular flu the NHS is on its knees with ambulances queuing outside A&E; lack of funding the police - how are they supposed to enforce any restrictions when they don't have the manpower for their existing workload; lack of funding schools - large class sizes, old cramped schools with poor ventilation or even schools in old office blocks.

Clearly there were things we could have done. We're among the worst for deaths and the among the worst for economic performance. We're also an island and had plenty of warning so you could make a fair argument that we should be doing better than pretty much everyone.

Simply put we're not following the science, and we never really have. Even back when they did the simulation a few years ago, the things that were highlighted then were ignored and are the problems we have now. Most things that have come in have been down to public pressure rather than the government actually leading.

We have been the most generous in support not one other cou try I can think has gave as much aid as our government

Our furlough scheme is better than that, I know it's ending, it shouldnt be but still.

Again an issue here that predates covid. Our 'safety net' isn't fit for purpose. If you lose your job you're expected to live on £410 a month (although the government is planning a big cut to that early next year). Other countries already had systems in place so it was just a larger uptake of their usual system, and in some cases extending the schemes so people can stay on them for longer.

We had to start from nothing. That's why we had to rush in furlough, which was good I'll give you that but maybe could have been implemented better to ensure only companies that needed it could claim and there was some pressure to get people back in. The replacement system IMO will have very low take up and I suspect thats by design. Since it was announced the company I work for have already done two rounds of redundancy. They are all 'viable' jobs that will be needed in the future but why would they keep people on now when its going to cost them more than letting them go?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(20)30245-4/fulltext?fbclid=IwAR27Pu1Pbh9jqZdNN1a245uh-5nvPNN3NLDTZ2OLZa94OwbTyK1NlHQiAt4

 

[chiefdave]

Can anyone imagine something like this happening here?

Police in France have searched the home of Health Minister Olivier Veran as part of an enquiry into the government’s handling of the pandemic.

He is one of several current and former health ministers being investigated into their response to the pandemic. It also includes former Prime Minister Edouard Philippe.

Victims of Covid-19 accuse them of being too slow to act to check the spread of the virus.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I didn't realise American schools are shut. How bad's it going to get over there if they re-open?

I think it’s a state by state decision on them?

 

[skybluetony176]

Can anyone imagine something like this happening here?

One thing you could never accuse the French of being is plebs.

 

[wingy]

I think it’s a state by state decision on them?

Well that Will likely be the case here BSB,less likely to be politically harmful to the Gov't that way .

 

[Ring Of Steel]

In more positive developments, in Ireland all home visits are now banned, therefore an afternoon in my in-laws' garden this weekend has been cancelled.

You have to seize any good news when you find it

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Locally on the covid 19 app up to 1732 active cases and 27762 daily new cases nationally

 

[Sick Boy]

Talk of a national lockdown over Christmas here

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well that Will likely be the case here BSB,less likely to be politically harmful to the Gov't that way .

Whenever we get a case it goes to PHE who tell the school what to do.

 

[chiefdave]

Talk of a national lockdown over Christmas here

Obvious to see why, normally you'd get thousands of people moving round the country to spend time in other households. Needs a public buy in through as it would be difficult to police unless you're stopping people on the roads and checking where they are going.

 

[Sick Boy]

Obvious to see why, normally you'd get thousands of people moving round the country to spend time in other households. Needs a public buy in through as it would be difficult to police unless you're stopping people on the roads and checking where they are going.

That would definitely happen, it’ll actually get properly enforced here with large fines.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Obvious to see why, normally you'd get thousands of people moving round the country to spend time in other households. Needs a public buy in through as it would be difficult to police unless you're stopping people on the roads and checking where they are going.

Nothing like issuing massive fines for the crime of going to see family members at Christmas.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

In more positive developments, in Ireland all home visits are now banned, therefore an afternoon in my in-laws' garden this weekend has been cancelled.

You have to seize any good news when you find it

You stealing Boris Johnson's joke?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You stealing Boris Johnson's joke?

I preferred Cameron’s ‘sitting next to a turkey’

 

[Deleted member 5849]

 

[shmmeee]

Nothing like issuing massive fines for the crime of going to see family members at Christmas.

Channelling Johnny Depp in Blow I see:

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Channelling Johnny Depp in Blow I see:

He’s right and so am I

 

[Deleted member 5849]

For cases handled by local health protection teams, 97.7% of contacts were reached and asked to self-isolate. For cases handled either online or by call centres, 57.6% of close contacts were reached.

 

[Marty]

Slightly off topic, but is anyone aware of any information regarding re-skilling?? I like my job but feel wasted sometimes, so wouldn't mind having a go at A levels.

 

[chiefdave]

Its almost comical. Appears from nowhere, trending on twitter and winning praise. Hours later, resigns over disagreement with Starmer's insistence on not opposing the CHIS bill.

Dan Carden quits Labour frontbench over failure to oppose MI5 bill

Carden says he will vote against legislation, defying Keir Starmer who wants MPs to abstain

www.theguardian.com

 

[shmmeee]

Slightly off topic, but is anyone aware of any information regarding re-skilling?? I like my job but feel wasted sometimes, so wouldn't mind having a go at A levels.

I’d have thought you could go straight in at L4/5 rather than doing A levels. Do you know what you want to do?

 

[chiefdave]

Slightly off topic, but is anyone aware of any information regarding re-skilling?? I like my job but feel wasted sometimes, so wouldn't mind having a go at A levels.

Might be worth a new thread, think a lot of people ignore this one and the other political threads.

Something I've thought about a lot but not sure how you can change career mid 40s with a mortgage and bills to pay. Did the quiz thing on the government site and it came up with the most bizarre career suggestions, but ignoring that the striking thing was that the first step in every career it suggested was going back to uni and doing another degree. Even if I could afford to do that I'd be nearly 50 by the time I finish it, even longer if its part time!

 

[shmmeee]

Might be worth a new thread, think a lot of people ignore this one and the other political threads.

Something I've thought about a lot but not sure how you can change career mid 40s with a mortgage and bills to pay. Did the quiz thing on the government site and it came up with the most bizarre career suggestions, but ignoring that the striking thing was that the first step in every career it suggested was going back to uni and doing another degree. Even if I could afford to do that I'd be nearly 50 by the time I finish it, even longer if its part time!

Do it! I retrained at 36. Best decision I ever made. Year at Uni was tough but enjoyable.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Slightly off topic, but is anyone aware of any information regarding re-skilling?? I like my job but feel wasted sometimes, so wouldn't mind having a go at A levels.

I heard something say it was from next April

 

[Marty]

I’d have thought you could go straight in at L4/5 rather than doing A levels. Do you know what you want to do?

I was thinking Physiotherapy as the career change, even if I stick in my current job and give myself a better chance of working up when the jobs become available. I spoke to the Cov Uni a couple of years ago (physio) and they wouldn't accept me as I was missing GCSE Maths at B. I have Mechanical Engineering at level 3 and done that for 14 years,

Might be worth a new thread, think a lot of people ignore this one and the other political threads.

Something I've thought about a lot but not sure how you can change career mid 40s with a mortgage and bills to pay. Did the quiz thing on the government site and it came up with the most bizarre career suggestions, but ignoring that the striking thing was that the first step in every career it suggested was going back to uni and doing another degree. Even if I could afford to do that I'd be nearly 50 by the time I finish it, even longer if its part time!

The age isn't so much an issue for me being early 30's but I have the mortgage and bills, when I was looking at it, I'm pritty sure you're exempt from council tax as a full time student (not sure how it works with a wife and kids etc). Not sure if all banks are the same but Santander were very accommodating and let me have a good play about with the figures and stuff too allow me to do uni and not get into debt, etc.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Something I've thought about a lot but not sure how you can change career mid 40s with a mortgage and bills to pay.

Yeah, part of me thinks I've missed the boat.

That being said, I often wonder if I'd been furloughed, if I'd have done all the nice things I'd promise myself I'd do, or if I'd have sat around in my pants watching repeats of Homes Under the Hammer!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I was thinking Physiotherapy as the career change, even if I stick in my current job and give myself a better chance of working up when the jobs become available. I spoke to the Cov Uni a couple of years ago (physio) and they wouldn't accept me as I was missing GCSE Maths at B. I have Mechanical Engineering at level 3 and done that for 14 years,



The age isn't so much an issue for me being early 30's but I have the mortgage and bills, when I was looking at it, I'm pritty sure you're exempt from council tax as a full time student (not sure how it works with a wife and kids etc). Not sure if all banks are the same but Santander were very accommodating and let me have a good play about with the figures and stuff too allow me to do uni and not get into debt, etc.

Check out what the Open University offer - they're often flexible with entry requirements, and are usually pretty good with getting you to where you need to be, if you need something extra, as efficiently as possible.