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jimmyhillsfanclub

jimmyhillsfanclub

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fernandopartridge said:
Good old Germany, solving some of the AZ supply issues already
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Yep....commented on this rather swift and precise bit of chicanery/spin when wingy posted the same story yesterday...

If you just swap the word "vaccine" for the word "data" in the 1st paragraph of their statement it then rings true.....
 
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SBT

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The Novavax vaccine results are out: Novavax’s Vaccine Works Well — Except on Variant First Found in South Africa

While the headline number (89% efficacy) is good, it's only 49% effective against the South African variant. If new variants have the potential to undercut the vaccine, then I don't see how you can avoid periodic restrictions coming into effect whenever new variants spring up.

The good news is that the scientists think they can update the vaccines to accommodate, but even if you vaccinate the whole UK population, can you really go back to normal on a permanent basis, so long as there's a new variant somewhere in the world that could infect half the population?
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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SBT said:
The Novavax vaccine results are out: Novavax’s Vaccine Works Well — Except on Variant First Found in South Africa

While the headline number (89% efficacy) is good, it's only 49% effective against the South African variant. If new variants have the potential to undercut the vaccine, then I don't see how you can avoid periodic restrictions coming into effect whenever new variants spring up.

The good news is that the scientists think they can update the vaccines to accommodate, but even if you vaccinate the whole UK population, can you really go back to normal on a permanent basis, so long as there's a new variant somewhere in the world that could infect half the population?
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I think so, as long as the structures to deal with outbreaks exist.
 
shmmeee

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It’s not just the vaccine is it? The more we study the virus and deal with its effects the more angles we’ll reduce deaths by. There was that instant protection thing the other day, there’ll be better research on what spreads it, better antivirals, etc, etc.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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shmmeee said:
It’s not just the vaccine is it? The more we study the virus and deal with its effects the more angles we’ll reduce deaths by. There was that instant protection thing the other day, there’ll be better research on what spreads it, better antivirals, etc, etc.
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Yeah, you feel like the vaccine research will hopefully get to a point where they can hopefully preempt mutations to a certain extent.
It is critical though that proper public health infrastructure is reinstated though, so they're not throwing money at Serco and the like and outbreaks can be contained. I don't think the Tories will do it but neither am I convinced what Starmer's Labour will either.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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SBT said:
The Novavax vaccine results are out: Novavax’s Vaccine Works Well — Except on Variant First Found in South Africa

While the headline number (89% efficacy) is good, it's only 49% effective against the South African variant. If new variants have the potential to undercut the vaccine, then I don't see how you can avoid periodic restrictions coming into effect whenever new variants spring up.

The good news is that the scientists think they can update the vaccines to accommodate, but even if you vaccinate the whole UK population, can you really go back to normal on a permanent basis, so long as there's a new variant somewhere in the world that could infect half the population?
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The investment in that mega vaccines factory they want to build this year will have a big impact on that and will allow large scale production of vaccines in response to new variants. The process of ‘tweaking’ the existing ones is nothing new and very easy from a scientific perspective as something we already do with flu.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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clint van damme said:
Prisons minister on BBC this morning:

'The government has been totally transparent through out This pandemic'

How many people have died of covid in prison?

'I have those figures but we're not putting them in the public domain'

Fucking hell. She's a government minister.
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Imagine being a B list minister when the A list has Hancock and Williamson
 
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CCFCSteve

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Imagine being a B list minister when the A list has Hancock and Williamson
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Was thinking about cabinets/shadow cabinets yesterday (I blame the dull life of lockdown !!). One of the reasons both main parties are poor at the moment is neither appear to have a lot of their best ministers on their front benches. Talent wasted on back benches is inexcusable really

Sorry, not covid related

Good news about Novavax trials though !
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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CCFCSteve said:
Was thinking about cabinets/shadow cabinets yesterday (I blame the dull life of lockdown !!). One of the reasons both main parties are poor at the moment is neither appear to have a lot of their best ministers on their front benches. Talent wasted on back benches is inexcusable really

Sorry, not covid related

Good news about Novavax trials though !
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Is that the GSK one?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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CCFCSteve said:
Think GSK is tied in with Sanofi (the one that’s not going well) - I had to Google that !

Novovax is the one Fernando mentioned. Would be manufactured in U.K. as well I think
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Yes wasn’t sure who had partnered with who. GSK one works in younger patients but not a high enough antigen concentration for older ones so they’ve pushed it back to later this year.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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CCFCSteve said:
Think GSK is tied in with Sanofi (the one that’s not going well) - I had to Google that !

Novovax is the one Fernando mentioned. Would be manufactured in U.K. as well I think
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they're going to start making it on Teeside.
Report this morning said that in trials it had 89% efficacy against 'normal' Covid at 86% against the new UK variant.
 
covmark

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clint van damme said:
they're going to start making it on Teeside.
Report this morning said that in trials it had 89% efficacy against 'normal' Covid at 86% against the new UK variant.
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Yep, think I read it's 50% effective against the South African variant too. Not too shabby that either.

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clint van damme

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Sbarcher

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clint van damme said:
not good reading. Will affect global supply not just the UK.
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Easy solution. Take it down to the ferry terminals and hand it over to the channel crossers. They seem to have no problem getting into the UK!
 
chiefdave

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clint van damme said:
not good reading. Will affect global supply not just the UK.
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You would imagine if they did that then supplies from non-EU production that were intended for the EU won't be delivered and will be diverted elsewhere. Assume EU produced vaccine should be delivered around the world not just to the UK. That's a lot of countries that will be very unhappy with the EU if they go through with this.
 
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chiefdave said:
You would imagine if they did that then supplies from non-EU production that were intended for the EU won't be delivered and will be diverted elsewhere. Assume EU produced vaccine should be delivered around the world not just to the UK. That's a lot of countries that will be very unhappy with the EU if they go through with this.
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Yeah it's just posturing. Probably magnified by media on all sides of the channel, too. Would be totally illogical to actively stop things, but does no harm to remind companies of their obligations.
 
jordan210

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Will be interesting to see what other countries out side of Europe do if the EU try and ban exports. As must be quite a few waiting for vacancies from the Belgium plant. Cant see them being overly happy with the Eu diverting their supply to themselves.
 
Sky Blue Pete

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Debrah meedham talking sense on question time. No point uk and Israel vaccinating everyone and the rest of the world travelling in and bringing mutated virus. That’s what’s so great about the az one. The at cost nature to poorer countries offer. There should be a vaccination summit. The tory on question time was proper annoying last night
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Debrah meedham talking sense on question time. No point uk and Israel vaccinating everyone and the rest of the world travelling in and bringing mutated virus. That’s what’s so great about the az one. The at cost nature to poorer countries offer. There should be a vaccination summit. The tory on question time was proper annoying last night
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There will probably need to be a travel ban for some time
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Debrah meedham talking sense on question time. No point uk and Israel vaccinating everyone and the rest of the world travelling in and bringing mutated virus. That’s what’s so great about the az one. The at cost nature to poorer countries offer. There should be a vaccination summit. The tory on question time was proper annoying last night
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who's going to a Kibbutz for the Cov fortnight?
 
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