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Brighton Sky Blue

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clint van damme said:
You expect people not to point out stuff like the current state of the fishing industry given the bright post Brexit future that industry was sold?

Or the problems exporting which were dismissed as project fear when they were hilighted years ago?
Or the fact that we didn't sign the fabled 40 trade deals the day after leaving as many of us predicted? Come on. Of course people are going to say I told you so.

And no Johnson isn't getting a hard time. He's getting a very easy ride in the circumstances and even sympathy which is shameful.
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This is a guy who says Starmer ‘answers to his union paymasters’ while ignoring that he answers to his oligarch paymasters
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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clint van damme said:
You expect people not to point out stuff like the current state of the fishing industry given the bright post Brexit future that industry was sold?

Or the problems exporting which were dismissed as project fear when they were hilighted years ago?
Or the fact that we didn't sign the fabled 40 trade deals the day after leaving as many of us predicted? Come on. Of course people are going to say I told you so.

And no Johnson isn't getting a hard time. He's getting a very easy ride in the circumstances and even sympathy which is shameful.
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It is nothing to do with the genuine concerns regarding brexit. It's every fucking thing.

Look at the reaction to this vaccine scandal. People just refuse to cricise the EU for anything. It's all well and good complaining one way then crying the other. Give me a break.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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shmmeee said:
The Tories aren’t the default. The same question to you of why should they get in power because you think the others are shit?

The general way politics works is governments lose elections and the other lot are given a go. Why should there be some higher bar here just because it’s the Tories and large parts of the U.K. public have some weird posh man domination fetish?

What happened before the war couldn’t be more irrelevant. Stick to today, you can’t vote out Blair or vote in Churchill in 2021.
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Labour keep losing. Perhaps people should listen to the ones not voting for them and something might get learnt.

It's pretty basic. You want to win voters over then their concerns need to be listened to.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
What is a lazy opinion is believing that anyone other than the tories should get into power by default because the former are shit.

The competition has been consistently rejected by the general public. If you got relegated every season would you point the blame elsewhere or accept you were doing something wrong?

I genuinely believe a lot of people want to have someone else to vote for, but they cannot find anyone that represents them. I'm certainly in that camp. The fact that the tories keep winning suggests to me that the alternative is even worse. Trust me, I wish it wasn't the case, but it is. Apart from Blair, how many elections have Labour won in the last 100 years? They keep alienating potential voters.

I have very little good to say about the tories or Johnson (vaccine otherwise), just for the record.
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The Tories keep winning because they do what the privileged classes have always done - sell themselves well. They're shit at policy, shit at governing but excellent at electioneering. They can take a policy that isn't in most people's interest and spin it by focusing on a small part that works in people's favour even though overall it's shit when inspected closer. People vote for tax cuts despite it massively being to the benefit of the rich and them being worse off overall. They deliberately miss that detail out. They could get turkeys to vote for Xmas by telling them they'll get more food and a nice warm home in winter if they vote for it.

They also manage to be like Teflon with scandals etc whereas other parties that shit just sticks. Maybe part of that is deep down you expect right wingers to be selfish and a bit of a shit but if you put yourself forward as being about society as a whole and if you fall off that pedestal people are dissapointed and disillusioned. I guess it also helps having many of the newspapers owned by those of a Tory persuasion.

Meanwhile the 'left' get pulled into semantics on policy rather than sticking to the buzzwords, slogans and lack of detail the Tories do. Last election the Tory manifesto was a microcosm of Johnson - vague, had very few actual policies and lacking any detail in those few they did mention. It may as well have just said GET BREXIT DONE GET BREXIT DONE GET BREXIT DONE repeatedly. Result - landslide win. So they problem there is that the public aren't paying enough attention and then when things inevitably go wrong and the rich get richer they act all surprised and outraged even though a bit of careful analysis shows that was the intention all along. Then they go and fall for the same tricks next time anyway.

Fact is if you want an alternative you have to put forward policies that are different and change the way things work. But people are scared of change so they don't vote for it. The Tories exploit this fear at every opportunity by saying stuff like "the country will go to the dogs if we do that". They can't prove that, but just putting the fear it might into people's heads is enough to make them reject it.
 
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Seamus1 said:
A wonderful quote I heard, sadly I cannot remember the source (it might have been on James O’Brien’s LBC programme), is that Johnson wanted two things; to become Prime Minister and to say that he was Prime Minister. Sadly the bit in between of actually being Prime Minister is somewhat of an inconvenience.
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That something I've long said about Johnson. He wanted to be Prime Minister. He wants to have been Prime Minister. He doesn't want to actually be Prime Minister because it involves having to do stuff.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It is nothing to do with the genuine concerns regarding brexit. It's every fucking thing.

Look at the reaction to this vaccine scandal. People just refuse to cricise the EU for anything. It's all well and good complaining one way then crying the other. Give me a break.
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If you looked you would see me challenging DOD on his claims on the AZ/EU vaccine dispute.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Labour keep losing. Perhaps people should listen to the ones not voting for them and something might get learnt.

It's pretty basic. You want to win voters over then their concerns need to be listened to.
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You listen to voters concerns, you make policy to address those concerns, other party creates fear and negativity around them, policies don't get voted for.

Alternatively pretend to listen to voters concerns, make policy that does nothing to alleviate those concerns (and in many cases will make them worse) butsell them like they do and watch it get lapped up.

No-one does Project Fear better than the Tories.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It is nothing to do with the genuine concerns regarding brexit. It's every fucking thing.

Look at the reaction to this vaccine scandal. People just refuse to cricise the EU for anything. It's all well and good complaining one way then crying the other. Give me a break.
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As stated I based my comments on yesterday's EU issue on comments made by the minister concerned.
It's ramped up today and people on here have had a go at 5he EU.

More than the Tories on here have said about the 100k deaths. But Johnson's trying his best so that's okay.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Fake news.
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People have voted for the charlatans running the country into the ground and now don't like it when it's pointed out what a mess it is.

It's early days but if Brexit delivers they'll be shouting it from the roof tops , same as they are about the success of the vaccination roll out and that's fair enough.

But they also have to own the struggling industries, the 100k deaths, the cronyism etc because they enabled it.
 
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clint van damme

clint van damme

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
www.thesun.co.uk

EU to unveil export ban that could stop millions of Pfizer jabs from reaching UK

BRUSSELS is set to publicly outline its vaccine export ban plan tomorrow – which could see millions of Pfizer doses blocked from entering Britain within days. Under the move to be finalised o…
www.thesun.co.uk
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The first two lines of the telegraph article say raid the Sun is unbelievably less inflammatory in saying spot check.

Either way, sounds like there's some shithousery afoot.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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clint van damme said:
The first two lines of the telegraph article say raid the Sun is unbelievably less inflammatory in saying spot check.

Either way, sounds like there's some shithousery afoot.
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I was once working on a site for a similar sized pharma company when it was ‘raided’ by the American FDA, but emerged that’s because they had a tip off about something that was going on. This looks like it’s desperately trying to find something that may or may not be there, more in hope than expectation.
 
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