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[Bugsy]

Seems like a nice piece of work!!
Labour suspends union boss Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be ‘deported instead of refugees’

Labour suspends Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be 'deported'

TOP trade union boss Howard Beckett today denied he was a racist and refused to quit the race to become the next Unite boss – after saying Priti Patel should be deported. He has been suspende…

www.thesun.co.uk

you don't portray yourself very well at times

 

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[shmmeee]

Hopefully protection to academics and academic debate, and I simply don't agree that it;s virtue signalling but instead acting on a perceived need to protect freedom of expression. There's been some very wrong de-platforming. I applaud anything that can be done to stop that and its direct and indirect effect of freedom of speech and thought.

But that’s the point. There’s been a couple of high profile “deplatofrming” incidents, and this wouldn’t have stopped them. Meanwhile the government are deplatforming anyone with views they don’t like in academia.

It’s total virtue signalling. Will do nothing to address the problem and they clearly don’t care about it anyway. Absolute dictionary definition.

 

[shmmeee]

Seems like a nice piece of work!!
Labour suspends union boss Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be ‘deported instead of refugees’

Labour suspends Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be 'deported'

TOP trade union boss Howard Beckett today denied he was a racist and refused to quit the race to become the next Unite boss – after saying Priti Patel should be deported. He has been suspende…

www.thesun.co.uk

Why do you think that statement is wrong?

It’s such bullshit and obviously factional. There’s nothing racist about saying the Home Secretary should be deported when she deporting people. It’s a standard insult.

 

[It’sabatch87]

Why do you think that statement is wrong?

It’s such bullshit and obviously factional. There’s nothing racist about saying the Home Secretary should be deported when she deporting people. It’s a standard insult.

So if it had been said about Diane Abbott you’d all be shouting it from the rooftops.
It works both ways doesn’t it?
Or do you only see one side?

 

[Skybluefaz]

So if it had been said about Diane Abbott you’d all be shouting it from the rooftops.
It works both ways doesn’t it?
Or do you only see one side?

Why would it be about Diane Abbott? What has she got to do with deporting anyone?

 

[shmmeee]

So if it had been said about Diane Abbott you’d all be shouting it from the rooftops.
It works both ways doesn’t it?
Or do you only see one side?

No, I’ve had the same argument with people on the left. I hate this pretend offence by people pretending they don’t understand how language works.

 

[shmmeee]

Why would it be about Diane Abbott? What has she got to do with deporting anyone?

Because she’s a high profile BAME Labour politician.

You’re just as bad!

 

[It’sabatch87]

Why would it be about Diane Abbott? What has she got to do with deporting anyone?
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Well Labour have suspended him so must be something in it.
You can’t have your cake and eat it!!

 

[shmmeee]

Well Labour have suspended him so must be something in it.
You can’t have your cake and eat it!!

Labour suspend everyone for everything, 90% of Labour internal politics is concocting racism/sexism/transphobia/homophobia scandals to kick the other faction.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

But that’s the point. There’s been a couple of high profile “deplatofrming” incidents, and this wouldn’t have stopped them. Meanwhile the government are deplatforming anyone with views they don’t like in academia.

It’s total virtue signalling. Will do nothing to address the problem and they clearly don’t care about it anyway. Absolute dictionary definition.

One that we'll have to disagree on.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Well Labour have suspended him so must be something in it.
You can’t have your cake and eat it!!

What cake? Suspension is a standard part of investigation. You've gone from sharing racist Facebook groups to embracing cancel culture and being woke. Hell of a turnaround.

 

[SBAndy]

Seems like a nice piece of work!!
Labour suspends union boss Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be ‘deported instead of refugees’

Labour suspends Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be 'deported'

TOP trade union boss Howard Beckett today denied he was a racist and refused to quit the race to become the next Unite boss – after saying Priti Patel should be deported. He has been suspende…

www.thesun.co.uk

Do you spend your entire life scouring The Sun to find links to post on here?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Freedom of speech = freedom to deplatform, there is no inherent right of anybody to be given time to speak to students. It is down to the freedom of the university to decide (with steer from students). More culture war drivel that you're lapping up.

I do wonder how it works in practice. Surely you have a finite amount of booking slots, and have the right to book who you want?!?

 

[shmmeee]

I do wonder how it works in practice. Surely you have a finite amount of booking slots, and have the right to book who you want?!?

It’s more people who are booked then cancelled rather than people being booked at all.

The problem is a workplace rights issue. Lecturers have a right to work without harassment and all workers have a right to an employer who doesn’t sack them for a mild Twitter post.

If the government really wanted to stop cancel culture they’d bring forward a workers rights bill that prevented sacking for such trivial offences and strengthened worker action when they’re being bullied/harassed at work.

Yet funnily enough they’ve not done that, instead deciding to have a pointless bill that will achieve nothing but to signal to others that they care about this virtue.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It’s more people who are booked then cancelled rather than people being booked at all.

But that's just it, you don't book in the first place, then!

The cancellations have been done thanks to popular protest, and I don't agree with that as such - go along and get a free heckle - but all that'll happen is there'll be no risk taken in who they book.

It'll be even more lefty!

I agree with the rest btw.

 

[shmmeee]

But that's just it, you don't book in the first place, then!

The cancellations have been done thanks to popular priest, and I don't agree with that as such - go along and get a free heckle - but all that'll happen is there'll be no risk taken in who they book.

It'll be even more lefty!

I agree with the rest btw.

That’s their problem. They like employer freedom but not that employer freedom, they want to shut down speech they don’t like but don’t like others doing the same. They’re an essentially illiberal government trying a free speech grift, but the fundamentally can’t deliver as they don’t believe in free speech. FFS they get triggered whenever the opposition opposes them. Bunch of thin skinned snowflakes that they are.

 

[Ian1779]

Seems like a nice piece of work!!
Labour suspends union boss Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be ‘deported instead of refugees’

Labour suspends Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be 'deported'

TOP trade union boss Howard Beckett today denied he was a racist and refused to quit the race to become the next Unite boss – after saying Priti Patel should be deported. He has been suspende…

www.thesun.co.uk

I wonder if you had this much outrage at Windrush.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That’s their problem. They like employer freedom but not that employer freedom, they want to shut down speech they don’t like but don’t like others doing the same. They’re an essentially illiberal government trying a free speech grift, but the fundamentally can’t deliver as they don’t believe in free speech. FFS they get triggered whenever the opposition opposes them. Bunch of thin skinned snowflakes that they are.

The acid test for me is would you permit someone to burn the Union flag

 

[chiefdave]

It’s more people who are booked then cancelled rather than people being booked at all.

Are these things cancelled because the booker has had some moral epiphany or because they are worried about running the event safely? Seems unworkable, venue says we can't put this event on and guarantee everyone's safety and security - what happens then?

 

[shmmeee]

Are these things cancelled because the booker has had some moral epiphany or because they are worried about running the event safely? Seems unworkable, venue says we can't put this event on and guarantee everyone's safety and security - what happens then?

Safety is always the reason given.

If you ask me any student involved in making an event unsafe should be expelled and trespassers on campus should be prosecuted. That would stop it pretty quickly.

 

[Deleted member 11652]

Seems like a nice piece of work!!
Labour suspends union boss Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be ‘deported instead of refugees’

Labour suspends Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be 'deported'

TOP trade union boss Howard Beckett today denied he was a racist and refused to quit the race to become the next Unite boss – after saying Priti Patel should be deported. He has been suspende…

www.thesun.co.uk

That’s shocking. Imagine the outrage on here if it was a Tory.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

That’s shocking. Imagine the outrage on here if it was a Tory.

True, and another clumsy statement - though the actual hurt delivered is nothing like the regime of workplace bullying that Patel has presided over and engaged in.

 

[shmmeee]

All the SBT Tories coming out as woke SJWs this morning!

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

All the SBT Tories coming out as woke SJWs this morning!

The silent Majority on the forum

 

[shmmeee]

The silent Majority on the forum

Have you ever not missed the point, by accident? I mean law of averages suggests it should happen now and again.

 

[shmmeee]

Just found out I’m blocked by my new Tory MP on Twitter.

Cancel culture is real.

 

[David O'Day]

The silent Majority on the forum

ffs you talk utter shit

 

[Marty]

The acid test for me is would you permit someone to burn the Union flag

Yes.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The silent Majority on the forum

They aren’t ever silent to be honest

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Safety is always the reason given.

If you ask me any student involved in making an event unsafe should be expelled and trespassers on campus should be prosecuted. That would stop it pretty quickly.

Point of order, but many universities don't have a campus, they have buildings in public spaces - so you'd struggle to stop randomers congregating there.

Anyway, as you were

Just found out I’m blocked by my new Tory MP on Twitter.

Cancel culture is real.

I never understand the MPs who only limit responses to people following them etc. I mean, the whole point of twitter is dialogue surely and of course you'll get a fair few morons calling you a wanker, and a fair number blowing smoke up your arse but... you can filter them / hide them if you must, but allow people to respond to whatever you put up, as how else can people feed bck to you?!?

And that includes negative feedback too.

 

[PVA]

The silent Majority on the forum

If only you were

 

[PVA]

This is perfectly normal behaviour...

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

If only you were

You hate the truth don't you PVA, deluded

 

[David O'Day]

If only you were

also why would the majority of people on the forum for a club from a labour voting city be tory?

 

[PVA]

You hate the truth don't you PVA, deluded

Says the bloke who thinks Voter ID cards are necessary... because of 6 cases of voter fraud out of 30 odd million votes