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Some interesting stuff there.
One that pops out at me is that those who consider themselves woke appear to view their position on racial equality and sexual orientation as being much more of an altered state of conscious than those who feel that it is part of everyday consciousness; and that actions such as taking away the voice of those who express alternative positions are considered by those professing to be woke as not reducing wakefulness.
Surprised that only half of those professing not to be woke thought that the Guardian was woke - I'd thought the figure would have been off the scale.
One that pops out at me is that those who consider themselves woke appear to view their position on racial equality and sexual orientation as being much more of an altered state of conscious than those who feel that it is part of everyday consciousness; and that actions such as taking away the voice of those who express alternative positions are considered by those professing to be woke as not reducing wakefulness.
Surprised that only half of those professing not to be woke thought that the Guardian was woke - I'd thought the figure would have been off the scale.
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TomRad85
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I want to meet the people that consider both themselves and Nigel Farage woke
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Indian mosque bulldozed in defiance of high court order
Local officials in Uttar Pradesh demolish mosque that had stood since time of British rule
skybluetony176
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Treating people as equals is woke. Surely that’s just a given.
shmmeee
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What I find really interesting is aside from the views on Corbyn, Biden, Johnson, and Farage, the two sides are totally talking past each other.
One side is saying fairly normal views like climate change, LGBT rights, anti racism are “woke” and therefore anyone anti work would surely be a terrible person, but those who are anti woke seem to see them as givens and care more about statues and speakers, neither of which the wokes seem to care about.
So let’s all agree to not be racist cunts and leave statues alone and crack on with our lives shall we?
One side is saying fairly normal views like climate change, LGBT rights, anti racism are “woke” and therefore anyone anti work would surely be a terrible person, but those who are anti woke seem to see them as givens and care more about statues and speakers, neither of which the wokes seem to care about.
So let’s all agree to not be racist cunts and leave statues alone and crack on with our lives shall we?
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Skybluefaz
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What a guy.
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Pretty impressive
clint van damme
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Patel intervenes as the last minute to delay the release of the Daniel Morgan panel report.
Cited national security apparently. They're going to redact all the juicy shit. They'll never let the truth get out.
Cited national security apparently. They're going to redact all the juicy shit. They'll never let the truth get out.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Likewise for those who class themselves as 'not woke' but the Mail as 'woke'. Daily Express for them eh
David O'Day
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What a life folk who think the Mail is too liberal and lefty for them must have.
What a life folk who think the Mail is too liberal and lefty for them must have.
Sky Blue Pete
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Latest email from the Good Law Project, following day 1 of the PPE procurement court case. We have a truly corrupt government.
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Dear Friend,
Today was the first day of our High Court legal challenge over Government’s award of PPE contracts. Here are three of the most shocking revelations from Court.
1) Government prioritised companies because of who they knew and not what they could deliver. Take Pestfix and Multibrands. Both suppliers emailed the senior official in charge of NHS procurement explaining their ability to supply PPE. Multibrands did so on 20th March 2020, a week before Pestfix. Multibrands received no response.
By contrast, Pestfix’s email resulted in their allocation to the “VIP lane”, where companies were fast-tracked to lucrative contracts. Why? An ex-director of PestFix was an “old school friend” of the official’s father-in-law.
2) Ministers did not want their political contacts to have to wait in line with everyone else. Evidence read out in Court revealed “...ministers and senior officials sometimes introduce offers of PPE and want them personally handled rather than going through surveys and bulk routes. Some of these contacts simply flatly refuse to proceed via a webform....."
3) The banks were so concerned about Government’s lack of due diligence on companies who had been handed huge contracts that they halted payments. An email from a civil servant stated “It is... imperative that we rectify the with supplier due diligence to ensure we do not leave ourselves at unacceptable risk of fraud/loss”
Thank you as ever for your support. There will be more from Court tomorrow. If you’re interested, our skeleton can be read here.
Jo Maugham
Director of Good Law Project
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Dear Friend,
Today was the first day of our High Court legal challenge over Government’s award of PPE contracts. Here are three of the most shocking revelations from Court.
1) Government prioritised companies because of who they knew and not what they could deliver. Take Pestfix and Multibrands. Both suppliers emailed the senior official in charge of NHS procurement explaining their ability to supply PPE. Multibrands did so on 20th March 2020, a week before Pestfix. Multibrands received no response.
By contrast, Pestfix’s email resulted in their allocation to the “VIP lane”, where companies were fast-tracked to lucrative contracts. Why? An ex-director of PestFix was an “old school friend” of the official’s father-in-law.
2) Ministers did not want their political contacts to have to wait in line with everyone else. Evidence read out in Court revealed “...ministers and senior officials sometimes introduce offers of PPE and want them personally handled rather than going through surveys and bulk routes. Some of these contacts simply flatly refuse to proceed via a webform....."
3) The banks were so concerned about Government’s lack of due diligence on companies who had been handed huge contracts that they halted payments. An email from a civil servant stated “It is... imperative that we rectify the with supplier due diligence to ensure we do not leave ourselves at unacceptable risk of fraud/loss”
Thank you as ever for your support. There will be more from Court tomorrow. If you’re interested, our skeleton can be read here.
Jo Maugham
Director of Good Law Project
skybluetony176
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Now is not the time for an inquiry said Boris Johnson. I wonder why he says that?
'National security' says the woman forced to resign for secret and unauthorised meetings with foreign parties.
The brass neck on these c**ts.
Grendel
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Is Jocyln wearing his wife’s kimono this morning?
Skybluefaz
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If you are looking for JOI there are better websites for that.
I know exactly why you're commenting on him. Classic deflection tactics.
Whether you think he's a moron or not, what do you think of the content of the email?
Particularly given the quotes do not come from him, but rather evidence given in court.
Ccfcisparks
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What are your thoughts on the content of the email?
SBAndy
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Ok, setting that to one side, what do you make of the Government’s behaviour in fast-tracking friends and the highlighted lack of due diligence in agreeing multi-million pound contracts?
Ian1779
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No - he can’t get the fox blood stains out of it.
Grendel
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Has there been a judgement that shows corruption? I can’t see it.
Ccfcisparks
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what a surprise
Grendel
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Is there then? I assume you accept he has a political and financial motivation to continue these cases? He needs to pay for his pad in London and his windmill somehow.
I’m not much of a fan of Hartley Brewer but his pathetic stirring up of the Twitter mob when a few home truths about him came out was snake belly behaviour
Again. Deflecting.
Forget who the email is from. Read the evidence given in court (i.e. not by the author of the email).
Grendel
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What’s the verdict?
Also it’s not deflecting. On the one hand you and people like you defend the likes of Maugham and his behaviour as he supports your political narrative and also at the same time ignore his blatant attempts to use political and tax legislation to feather his own windmill nest
He has zero interest in anything but making money for himself.
Has Mr Johnson been arrested yet? Has Mr Maugham paid the builders half a million quid they took him to court over yet?
clint van damme
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He's a wanker, but he's right about the corruption.
Can you point out where I'm defending Maugham or any wrongdoings of his?
Statements of evidence given in court are no less useful or truthful because you don't like Maugham. Yet you keep ignoring them because you don't like him. In the same way you keep ignoring any wrongdoings by the government because you do like them.
Has Mr Johnson paid back the hundreds of thousands of pounds of taxpayers money he used to get a shag out of that American woman?
Has Mr Hancock paid back the billions of pounds he's siphoned off to his mates?
edit: Just a haha like, so I'm assuming the answer to those three questions is 'no'.
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fernandopartridge
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A guy from DHSC I have corresponded with is named in the court documents, he's a decent fella but these civil servants are so in thrall to ministers, the neutrality is blurry
skybluetony176
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His brother was on the radio earlier and this is as shady as fuck. Been numerous enquiries into this this being the the first fully independent one and it sounds like every t has been crossed and every i dotted by everyone from lawyers in various specialist fields and the Met themselves. There has been a trial but it collapsed and one of the people in that trial was employed by the News of the World (amongst other newspapers) has since been jailed over phone tapping I believe, is connected to Andy Coulson etc etc. It sounds like this has more to do with government connections to certain media companies and the government has pulled numerous tricks to delay the publication (including using Prince Phillips death as an excuse) before this latest effort.
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