clint van damme
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The way the French police force(s) behaved during the yellow vest protests I'm not surprised.
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The way the French police force(s) behaved during the yellow vest protests I'm not surprised.
shmmeee
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Really interesting analysis on voter groups
ukandeu.ac.uk
Tl;dr: people with a mix of views (left wing socially/right wing economically or visa versa) both prioritise their conservative views over their progressive ones and often only holding one conservative view is enough to make them vote for the right.
What's right for centre-right parties - UK in a changing Europe
Noam Gidron on how centre-right parties across Western Europe are facing electoral challenges and may be losing their grip.
ukandeu.ac.uk
Tl;dr: people with a mix of views (left wing socially/right wing economically or visa versa) both prioritise their conservative views over their progressive ones and often only holding one conservative view is enough to make them vote for the right.
AOM
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She loves it, doesn't she? She's to immigration (old and new) what Tebbit was to workers.
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I see she's having a go at the Beeb about not having done a thorough investigation over the Bashir i/v (though me thinks Princes are wrapping up all of their understandable press contempt on a single man/org); yet she was quick to close down any investigation into her bullying, in the process using using taxpayer's money for the payoff.
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clint van damme
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In the week stifled the release of the Daniel Morgan report the hypocrisy is breathtaking.
But then we're talking about a woman who wants to deny people the same refuge in this country her parents were afforded.
shmmeee
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Nah. You’d get her watch you wank as a birthday present and expect to be glad about it. She’s 100% that sort of woman who thinks sex is dirty and only does it under duress. No one with that level of moral disgust can be a decent shag.
skybluetony176
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So. Murdoch wedding guest says she needs to vet independent enquiry into a murder that the Murdoch press is entwined in
amp.theguardian.com
Nothing to see here.
Daniel Morgan’s son says Priti Patel has added to family’s agony | Police | The Guardian
Home secretary urged to ‘bring our torture to an end’ by allowing publication of report into police and media corruption<br>
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Nick
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Nah, if she is willing to let people die in the english channel she is going to do things to you that are probably illegal in most countries.
Skybluefaz
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Quality, up the glory tory boys.
Evo1883
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Not for me mate , just highlighting the state of play
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Fixed
shmmeee
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Only way is up?
In all seriousness, being objective there’s a lot of temporary boosts in place for the Tories right now, we won’t vaccinate everyone and open the pubs and do Brexit and win an election every year.
If we’re still miles behind this time next year I might start taking the death of the party stuff seriously, but right now is a terrible time to make any long term judgments.
Evo1883
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Il go with that
Grendel
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No that’s the Labour stance and is why no one votes for them anymore
Brighton Sky Blue
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I guess wrecking the industry of an entire region and then getting them to vote for you on the back of a 3 word slogan is good going. Then throwing in a few bribes as a 'reward' for voting for the party instead of spending money in these places for the last 10 years.
Funnily enough they'll only keep those votes if they govern as the Labour Party intends to each time
Grendel
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Well the Tories governed for many years under thatcher - guess she must have done the same
Brighton Sky Blue
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Yeah and they lost nearly all their Scottish seats in the process plus made no inroads in the communities she ruined. Just a few decades for that to be forgotten because an Etonian said 3 words and promised the economic investment that the left has been calling for all along
Grendel
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Only 2 Labour politicians have actually been elected as prime minister in the last 60 years haven’t they?
The one before that was privately educated
Brighton Sky Blue
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A neat sidestep G, but the main thing is people want more economic investment into their local areas not less, which up until Mr Johnson arrived the Conservative Party would keep telling us was 'the magic money tree'. Yet the party has been rewarded for ignoring these places for the past decade and ruining their local industries in the 80s.
Grendel
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not a neat sidestep but a fact the bottom line is over the last 60 years more people prefer Tory governments to Labour ones.
That’s a trend that looks likely to become even more pronounced
Brighton Sky Blue
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Because perception and personalities matter more than policy and substance but we've been over that before. What I suppose is most important is that Attlee won in 1945 as if he hadn't we'd probably never have bothered with the NHS and reforms to state education.
Grendel
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Kinnock had more personality that thatcher and major wouldn’t you say?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I don't disagree with that particularly, but to suggest the Tories are the party of the working man instead is a laughable suggestion. They may make out they're for the common man but in reality they're for the wealthy and big business and if there's a small knock on that can be sold as good for the small man they big it up and make it out that that was the entire point of it rather than a convenient side effect.
Grendel
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Thatcher was by every definition from low class stock as was John Major - they were far less privileged than Blair - why are they for the wealthy and big business?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Surely a joke?
stupot07
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Plus this makes a huge difference
2019 General Election Endorsement (paper circulation 2019/2020 )
Tory supporting papers
Express 250k
Daily Mail 1,134,000
Sun 1,207,000
Times (inc. Digital) 656k
Telegraph 250k
Evening Standard 780k
Total 4,277,000
Labour supporting papers
Mirror 389k
Guardian 110k
Morning Star 10k
Sunday People 127k
Liverpool Echo 35k
Total 671,000
When Blair won, the Sun switched allegiance from Tory to back Blair and the Labour Party.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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What about the Independent and the I?
Ccfcisparks
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£700...Labour MP spent over £700 of taxpayers money on 'influencers toolkit'
Zarah Sultana, the Corbyn-supporting MP for Coventry South with 85,000 followers on Instagram, used her expense account to buy equipment
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Rising star Labour MP Zarah Sultana, who regularly features in videos for left-wing Youtube channels, has spent almost £800 of taxpayers’ money on an “influencer toolkit”, The Telegraph can reveal.
The Corbynite MP for Coventry South is being urged to explain why she used parliamentary expenses to purchase an LED ring light designed for “Youtube video shooting, photography or makeup”, as well as a Canon camera and a professional microphone.
Ms Sultana frequently contributes high-quality videos to Double Down News, a left-wing online news channel, with recent features including a clip of her “unboxing political freebies” in her parliamentary office.
She has also amassed more than 100,000 followers on 1.8 million likes on her personal TikTok account, as well as 85,000 followers on Instagram.
Questions about Ms Sultana’s expenses claims come as another prominent Labour MP, Dawn Butler, faces criticism for claiming more than £200 for professional microphone and recording devices usually found in DJ sets.
Ms Sultana claims her purchases were for constituency and constituency purposes, but did not respond to a request to show examples of the equipment contributing to such work. Instead, critics claim she neglected the spirit of the expenses system.
The chief executive of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, John O’Connell said that “taxpayers will be deeply concerned that their money has been spent on an expensive influencer tool kit.”
Mr O’Connell added: “The electorate expects politicians to stay grounded and keep costs under control, particularly when it comes to high-end digital equipment. With the economy and public finances in such dire straits, MPs must show that we’re all in it together and think carefully about what they claim for.”
That sentiment was shared by a senior Labour parliamentary staffer with knowledge of the expenses process, who said: “Whether or not it’s a justified claim, filing for a ring light just looks foul.”
Ms Sultana has previously come under scrutiny for claiming £1,193 for a new iPhone, having said that her previous one stopped working, and was separately forced to repay £2,800 after claiming for “consultancy work” which was later found to be outside the rules. The work is believed to have involved the designing of her website.
More recently, the maverick MP was forced to pay back £25 she claimed for a yoga class, which parliamentary authorities bluntly said was “not claimable under the [expenses] scheme”.
MPs’ expenses have come under greater scrutiny in recent weeks, after it was revealed that they collectively spent nearly £40,000 of taxpayers’ money on Apple laptops, wireless earphones, iPhones and iPads during the pandemic.
A spokesperson for Zarah Sultana said: “For an MP’s office to purchase digital equipment like this is common, absolutely within the rules, and supports their Parliamentary and constituency work.
“Rest assured that this report will not deter Zarah in campaigning against poverty and inequality, and in building a world for the many, not just the few.”
A spokesperson for IPSA said that while “equipment to support digital communication is claimable where it relates to parliamentary work”, it is down to MPs to explain the specific parliamentary reasons behind the purchases.
Labour MP spent over £700 of taxpayers money on 'influencers toolkit'
Zarah Sultana used taxpayer funds to purchase a ring light, among other digital productswww.telegraph.co.uk
Conservative MP Karl McCartney claimed £20,000 in expenses for work done by campaign donor's firm
Karl McCartney made claims totalling more than £20,000 for consultancy work carried out by a company run by a former donor.
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