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[shmmeee]

Policy platform is unchanged since Corbyn. He’s a lemon.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Basically Labour need to go central again to win power and get the working mans vote.
I feel the by election could be a bloodbath for Starmer and who will he sack this time?
It seems it’s never his fault he needs to grow a pair!!

I've asked before but practically what does 'going central' look like?

 

[Sick Boy]

Ignoring the fact that JOB is a bit of a knob, these are the consequences of Johnson and Hancock's incompetence.

It's all very well them laughing off the claims and lying about it, and it's all very well Tory fanboys saying 'bUt LaBoUr!!!'

But they are literally responsible for people dying that should not have died and they are just going to get away with it. And plenty of cunts will applaud them for it.

James O'Brien moved to tears by grieving father's response to Cummings' claims

James O'Brien was moved to tears by this grieving father's response to Dominic Cummings giving evidence, which he watched repeatedly for nine hours.

www.lbc.co.uk

It’s pretty damning of the country that despite everything they’re still seen in such a favourable light by so much of the electorate.

 

[It’sabatch87]

The unions are fast becoming an irrelevancy anyway, and not just because of the uniform reforms that began with Thatcher and which the Labour failed to address in their 13 years in power, to their shame. Ironically, they have in some ways begun to mirror Labour and find themselves more concerned with liberties rather than workplace practices (but again, partly because their power has been removed - idle hands and all that).

I pay nearly 200 quid a year to PCS, and they are simply useless in any workplace activity. I only continue to pay in case I might need them to fight a dark corner. My support for them as something that was part of my working class culture disappeared a long time ago.

I stopped my union membership when McClusky was elected.
Horrible man on the gravy train.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The unions are fast becoming an irrelevancy anyway, and not just because of the uniform reforms that began with Thatcher and which the Labour failed to address in their 13 years in power, to their shame. Ironically, they have in some ways begun to mirror Labour and find themselves more concerned with liberties rather than workplace practices (but again, partly because their power has been removed - idle hands and all that).

I pay nearly 200 quid a year to PCS, and they are simply useless in any workplace activity. I only continue to pay in case I might need them to fight a dark corner. My support for them as something that was part of my working class culture disappeared a long time ago.

My NEU fees have come in very handy in my relatively short time in the job and they continue to do good work in schools. Guess that's why Boris is so hard on them

 

[It’sabatch87]

I've asked before but practically what does 'going central' look like?

Like what Blair was?

 

[shmmeee]

The unions are fast becoming an irrelevancy anyway, and not just because of the uniform reforms that began with Thatcher and which the Labour failed to address in their 13 years in power, to their shame. Ironically, they have in some ways begun to mirror Labour and find themselves more concerned with liberties rather than workplace practices (but again, partly because their power has been removed - idle hands and all that).

I pay nearly 200 quid a year to PCS, and they are simply useless in any workplace activity. I only continue to pay in case I might need them to fight a dark corner. My support for them as something that was part of my working class culture disappeared a long time ago.

Yeah same, was a member when I taught for the legal protection that’s essential as a teacher, but since leaving I wouldn’t bother.

Socialism unsurprisingly has really suffered from the destruction of mass socialisation. No mass employment, people more mobile, no church or similar. Hard to put across a message of togetherness when people don’t see themselves as a class. (In the technical term not the Marxist).

The left basically abandoned economics in the 80s and went all in on identity. Which was always dumb as it’s essentially against left wing ideals. We should be focusing on what binds is not what divides us, leave that to the right.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Just saw Boris on the news denying it. His body language was awful. Yesterday I thought a lot of what Cummings was saying was just stating what anybody paying attention for the last year or so would already think and everything else was just sticking the boot in but having seen MHancock starting on the path of plausible deniability and Boris’ body language I’m starting to think that Cummings has them rattled so there’s possibly some substance to what Cummings was saying.
They might have to bring the enquiry forward just to clear their names. Assuming that Cummings is just sticking the boot in.

? Of course there was substance to what Cummings was saying, in terms of simply collaborating events that we already knew about (though you can ignore all the bits in which he basically says "I told you so" , that "I was the only person who knew what we should do" and that my ex-lover was clueless etc etc etc ).

We know that they were releasing covid-possible patients into care homes in April and that care homes were left to rot without PPE. Hancock didn't actually say patients were being tested. We know that we came out of lockdown too early over the summer (most people knew it was too early) and were two weeks too late in December else Boris would have had to cancel xmas. All this is known, to most.

Con +10.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The unions are fast becoming an irrelevancy anyway, and not just because of the uniform reforms that began with Thatcher and which the Labour failed to address in their 13 years in power, to their shame. Ironically, they have in some ways begun to mirror Labour and find themselves more concerned with liberties rather than workplace practices (but again, partly because their power has been removed - idle hands and all that).

I pay nearly 200 quid a year to PCS, and they are simply useless in any workplace activity. I only continue to pay in case I might need them to fight a dark corner. My support for them as something that was part of my working class culture disappeared a long time ago.

Lots of my work in Pcs is in the workplace. No idea what you mean

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Like what Blair was?

Yeah you've said but what does that mean?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yeah you've said but what does that mean?

Centre ground. Labour is not elected purely on socialism left wing votes. It has to win the centre too.

 

[shmmeee]

Like what Blair was?

Blairism wouldn’t work in 2021, the approach of listening to voters not party members is timeless, but the results of the approach would be very different today. Likely along cultural rather than economic lines. I suspect something like Blue Labour actually.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

What sort of person would not have voted Tory last week but will (given the chance) next week?

Not me, I don't have a vote.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Centre ground. Labour is not elected purely on socialism left wing votes. It has to win the centre too.

What I'm asking and still don't get is practically what does that look like. More abstaining on welfare bills? Support for more foreign wars?

 

[shmmeee]

What I'm asking and still don't get is practically what does that look like. More abstaining on welfare bills? Support for more foreign wars?

The most important issues facing the country

Which of the following do you think are the most important issues facing the country at this time? Please tick up to three.

yougov.co.uk

Take your pick.

 

[Sick Boy]

What I'm asking and still don't get is practically what does that look like. More abstaining on welfare bills? Support for more foreign wars?

The Sun getting its readers to parrot its ‘stories’.

 

[It’sabatch87]

Centre ground. Labour is not elected purely on socialism left wing votes. It has to win the centre too.

Well said Pete,I think some don’t realise about centre ground which is where the tories are hoovering up votes up north.
Labour cannot just stick their heads in the sand and hope for the best!!

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Lots of my work in Pcs is in the workplace. No idea what you mean

I suspect its a very varied picture. They are invisible at my place, totally invisible, and have been for the last 5 years, when they were abject when our conditions and grades were under attack.

I actually wrote twice to Mark Serwotka to challenge his perceived all round success in getting the CS pension reform overturned, and the effect on folks like me. Very polite points and enquiry. Nada response.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The most important issues facing the country

Which of the following do you think are the most important issues facing the country at this time? Please tick up to three.

yougov.co.uk

Take your pick.

Labour is more trusted than the Tories on health though?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well said Pete,I think some don’t realise about centre ground which is where the tories are hoovering up votes up north.
Labour cannot just stick their heads in the sand and hope for the best!!

What sort of things would you want to see Labour arguing for?

 

[shmmeee]

The Sun getting its readers to parrot its ‘stories’.

Lots of people on the left need to read some applied psychology IMO. The theory on persuasion is two step:

- Step one “pacing”: mimic the existing behaviours of your target to build trust and rapport.
- Step two “leading”: slowly deviate from some behaviours to make them follow.

The Sun and the Tories do step one, they give people what they want and show they have similar values where they can. That makes people more receptive to the other stuff where they don’t align.

 

[PVA]

It’s pretty damning of the country that despite everything they’re still seen in such a favourable light by so much of the electorate.

Quite. All the Tory fanboys in here just scrolled straight past that story, they don't give a shit, all they care about is that Boris has funny hair and is a bit of a lad.

 

[shmmeee]

Labour is more trusted than the Tories on health though?

Health is a proxy for Corona right now and the govt are smashing vaccinations Polling pretty much tracks the vaccine rollout recently.

 

[shmmeee]

Interesting to see the environment as generally the third highest issue of concern, being of concern to almost a third of the population, most of who no doubt eat meat, drive their kids to school, use the car to commute, are still buying iphones, tablets, tvs etc etc. It certainly is You Gov, not me gov.

Humans gonna human

The impact of individual action is a drop in the ocean compared to government investment and legislation TBF.

 

[It’sabatch87]

Quite. All the Tory fanboys in here just scrolled straight past that story, they don't give a shit, all they care about is that Boris has funny hair and is a bit of a lad.

He’s more of a lad than that wet blanket Starmer I mean who would you rather go out for a pint with? At least you’d have a laugh with Boris!!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He’s more of a lad than that wet blanket Starmer I mean who would you rather go out for a pint with? At least you’d have a laugh with Boris!!

Is that 'being more central'?

 

[PVA]

He’s more of a lad than that wet blanket Starmer I mean who would you rather go out for a pint with? At least you’d have a laugh with Boris!!

This shit is exactly why tens of thousands of people are dead that shouldn't be. Fuck sake.

 

[oakey]

He’s more of a lad than that wet blanket Starmer I mean who would you rather go out for a pint with? At least you’d have a laugh with Boris!!

Tbf I wouldn't want a drink with either but if I had to choose it would be Starmer as his dad was a toolmaker and so was mine. What the hell would I talk about with Johnson? Born in New York, brought up first in Brussells then Eton.
Nothing in common at all.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Tbf I wouldn't want a drink with either but if I had to choose it would be Starmer as his dad was a toolmaker and so was mine. What the hell would I talk about with Johnson? Born in New York, brought up first in Brussells then Eton.
Nothing in common at all.

Also, more likely to be interested in Wasps than City

 

[PVA]

Johnson doesn't do pints anyway. Only for photo opportunities.

 

[clint van damme]

Lots of people on the left need to read some applied psychology IMO. The theory on persuasion is two step:

- Step one “pacing”: mimic the existing behaviours of your target to build trust and rapport.
- Step two “leading”: slowly deviate from some behaviours to make them follow.

The Sun and the Tories do step one, they give people what they want and show they have similar values where they can. That makes people more receptive to the other stuff where they don’t align.

you think that's what he's doing? That would suggest he has a strategy, which he clearly doesn't.

 

[Sick Boy]

Lots of people on the left need to read some applied psychology IMO. The theory on persuasion is two step:

- Step one “pacing”: mimic the existing behaviours of your target to build trust and rapport.
- Step two “leading”: slowly deviate from some behaviours to make them follow.

The Sun and the Tories do step one, they give people what they want and show they have similar values where they can. That makes people more receptive to the other stuff where they don’t align.

To be fair Osbourne’s mockney accent was great.

 

[Sick Boy]

you think that's what he's doing? That would suggest he has a strategy, which he clearly doesn't.

‘Boris’ is a cleverly constructed persona that so many fall for.

 

[clint van damme]

‘Boris’ is a cleverly constructed persona that so many fall for.

I was on about Starmer! I just don't see him as an effective LOTO.

 

[David O'Day]

A lot of people are going be eating crow if an when the Reeves/Yellan thing starts to bare fruit.