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[fernandopartridge]

Let the gerrymandering commence

Parliament: Shake-up of England's electoral map outlined

Wales and Scotland lose out as details of a major revamp of England's constituencies is unveiled.

www.bbc.co.uk

It's incredibly cynical and is to bake in the Tories in government for many many years

 

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[Sick Boy]

Lol whatever you think of Blair he still has more presence than any of the Labour deadwood

He’s also head and shoulders above Johnson and the cabinet.

 

[David O'Day]

It's incredibly cynical and is to bake in the Tories in government for many many years

Strangely on 2019 voting intentions they are down 10 seats with this one.

It is not happening, it's been going on for a decade and will just keep getting kicked down the road.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Let the gerrymandering commence

Parliament: Shake-up of England's electoral map outlined

Wales and Scotland lose out as details of a major revamp of England's constituencies is unveiled.

www.bbc.co.uk

Think that’s a little OTT BSB. This shouldve happened a long time ago ie roughly same number of people in each constituency (Also should happen in US where it’s even more ridiculous !) I’d have personally liked it to have been with a cut in number of MPs and reform of House of Lords like suggested a while back, maybe with an element of PR involved

Also the new borders should be decided independently so as to not provide a distinct advantage to any parties but the concept is correct

As DOD suggests this isn’t something that won’t happen quickly (if at all)

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Think that’s a little OTT BSB. This shouldve happened a long time ago ie roughly same number of people in each constituency (Also should happen in US where it’s even more ridiculous !) I’d have personally liked it to have been with a cut in number of MPs and reform of House of Lords like suggested a while back, maybe with an element of PR involved

Also the new borders should be decided independently so as to not provide a distinct advantage to any parties but the concept is correct

As DOD suggests this isn’t something that won’t happen quickly (if at all)

The Lords is what needs heavily curtailing, not the Commons. Taking seats away from everywhere and giving them to southern England is pretty much the opposite of ‘levelling up’

 

[CCFCSteve]

The Lords is what needs heavily curtailing, not the Commons. Taking seats away from everywhere and giving them to southern England is pretty much the opposite of ‘levelling up’

But there’s no curtailing, it’s proposing making constituencies an equal size, which conceptually is correct (it’s how it’s delivered which needs proper scrutiny). Aa I said above the democrats have wanted to do something similar in US for ages as it’s 10 times worse there

Ps don’t get me started in HoL !

 

[wingy]

But there’s no curtailing, it’s proposing making constituencies an equal size, which conceptually is correct (it’s how it’s delivered which needs proper scrutiny). Aa I said above the democrats have wanted to do something similar in US for ages as it’s 10 times worse there

Ps don’t get me started in HoL !

Depends if we think one size fits all really?
It may for all I know, trying to think of something comparable but coming up with zilch.

 

[wingy]

Interesting if the central policy of say the last 50 year's skews the economy to be so London centric that it actually drives the growth of population to the capital,sort of centralises that power even more.
So it will take policies to reverse this to the regions.
Maybe Covid will reverse this trend ,anecdotal evidence of this from the media.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But there’s no curtailing, it’s proposing making constituencies an equal size, which conceptually is correct (it’s how it’s delivered which needs proper scrutiny). Aa I said above the democrats have wanted to do something similar in US for ages as it’s 10 times worse there

Ps don’t get me started in HoL !

There is a good reason for not overlapping rural and urban constituencies as the needs are quite different. Just weighting things more in favour of the south exacerbates the bias already there

 

[CCFCSteve]

There is a good reason for not overlapping rural and urban constituencies as the needs are quite different. Just weighting things more in favour of the south exacerbates the bias already there

Agree about the challenges around rural/urban constituencies. Its a tricky balance between serving the constituency and then MPs forming part of central government. The latter is why I think constituencies should be broadly equal in populations though

Ps last thing any of us want is a more London/south centric government focus. Not sure government do either bearing in mind there’s more left leaning support down there

 

[Philosoraptor]

Should he stay or should he go now?

If he goes there will be trouble.



But if he stays there will be double.

 

[shmmeee]

Should he stay or should he go now?

If he goes there will be trouble.

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But if he stays there will be double.


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You’re just setting yourself up for disappointment. Labour don’t sack leaders before they’ve had a GE (or in Corbyns case: 2)

 

[Philosoraptor]

You’re just setting yourself up for disappointment. Labour don’t sack leaders before they’ve had a GE (or in Corbyns case: 2)

Just a quick reminder..

Owen Smith 2016 Labour Party leadership campaign - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Actually, they do

 

[shmmeee]

Just a quick reminder..

Owen Smith 2016 Labour Party leadership campaign - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Actually, they do

Um…. Not sure what reality you’re in where Owen Smith won the leadership.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Um…. Not sure what reality you’re in where Owen Smith won the leadership.

But the challenge was there and at least the membership had a vote on it. I am sure you would fully back this if it happened again.

 

[shmmeee]

But the challenge was there and at least the membership had a vote on it. I am sure you would fully back this if it happened again.

Yeah and the party rejected it because we don’t sack leaders before a GE no matter how poor they are. As Corbyn showed.

But sure, if you want to see Sultana or Burgon get curb stomped while the party looks like a joke crack on.

Starmers approvals even now are miles ahead of Corbyns in 2016 and Corbyn won at a canter. *Because the party doesn’t sack leaders before a GE*.

 

[chiefdave]

There is a good reason for not overlapping rural and urban constituencies as the needs are quite different. Just weighting things more in favour of the south exacerbates the bias already there

I'm in Coventry South and if this is similar to the last time it came up we were going to be bundled into Kenilworth!

 

[Philosoraptor]

I'm in Coventry South and if this is similar to the last time it came up we were going to be bundled into Kenilworth!

There are no major changes to Coventry, the number of MPs stays the same. Just a few changes between the Coventry North East and Coventry South boundaries.

Binley and Stoke way.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It's incredibly cynical and is to bake in the Tories in government for many many years

They have just fully adopted the Republican strategy. Waiting for them to introduce filibusters next.

 

[Ian1779]

Yeah and the party rejected it because we don’t sack leaders before a GE no matter how poor they are. As Corbyn showed.

But sure, if you want to see Sultana or Burgon get curb stomped while the party looks like a joke crack on.

Starmers approvals even now are miles ahead of Corbyns in 2016 and Corbyn won at a canter. *Because the party doesn’t sack leaders before a GE*.

It will be the right of the party that tries to remove him if anyone does.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah and the party rejected it because we don’t sack leaders before a GE no matter how poor they are. As Corbyn showed.

But sure, if you want to see Sultana or Burgon get curb stomped while the party looks like a joke crack on.

Starmers approvals even now are miles ahead of Corbyns in 2016 and Corbyn won at a canter. *Because the party doesn’t sack leaders before a GE*.

Sultana and Burgon are the only ones asking the questions I want asking and looking like they give a shit. Not to say I want either as leader just I want to see more of that from the incumbent

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Agree about the challenges around rural/urban constituencies. Its a tricky balance between serving the constituency and then MPs forming part of central government. The latter is why I think constituencies should be broadly equal in populations though

Ps last thing any of us want is a more London/south centric government focus. Not sure government do either bearing in mind there’s more left leaning support down there

Most of the S/SE leans to the right. As does most rural communities. London has more left leaning but even that has an almost equal area voting blue in most of the affluent areas.

I totally agree about equal representation in terms of population, but the rural constituencies wouldn't like it as they would become bigger.

The US are constantly doing this to 'level up' district populations but it's consistently been show that the way they do it is incredibly haphazard and seems to be designed to minimise the voice of those more likely to vote democrat

 

[shmmeee]

Sultana and Burgon are the only ones asking the questions I want asking and looking like they give a shit. Not to say I want either as leader just I want to see more of that from the incumbent

This is 2016 all over again. He may be shite (I actually think he’s doing OK considering, but still) but until you’ve got someone better all you do by attacking him is strengthen him. Burgon and Sultana are the Owen Smiths of the left.

The left clearly hasn’t learned shit from the last five years which is incredibly frustrating.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

This is 2016 all over again. He may be shite (I actually think he’s doing OK considering, but still) but until you’ve got someone better all you do by attacking him is strengthen him. Burgon and Sultana are the Owen Smiths of the left.

The left clearly hasn’t learned shit from the last five years which is incredibly frustrating.

I did say I wouldn’t have either of them as leader. But they are some of quite few asking what I want to be asked. Also not yet at the point of wanting Starmer to go though

 

[Ian1779]

This is 2016 all over again. He may be shite (I actually think he’s doing OK considering, but still) but until you’ve got someone better all you do by attacking him is strengthen him. Burgon and Sultana are the Owen Smiths of the left.

The left clearly hasn’t learned shit from the last five years which is incredibly frustrating.

They are asking the questions not attacking him directly. People whispering about replacing Starmer are from the right.

 

[shmmeee]

Bit sloppy for a data guy

Cummings fails to provide evidence to back up dishonesty claim

Former aide to Boris Johnson had promised to give documents to Commons committee

www.theguardian.com

He’s not a data guy, he’s a data fanboy.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Bit sloppy for a data guy

Cummings fails to provide evidence to back up dishonesty claim

Former aide to Boris Johnson had promised to give documents to Commons committee

www.theguardian.com

Wonder if this is all part of his masterplan though. Cummings waits for Hancock to tell his version of events at the hearing (perjure himself for want of a better phrase) and then after it’s done Cummings produces his evidence. Hancock doubly in the shit.

 

[skybluetony176]

I see that the Daily Heil and Express are losing their shit because Oxford students elected to take down a portrait of the queen from their common room. The only countries I’ve been where it’s mandatory to display an image of the head of state are tin pot dictatorships.

 

[chiefdave]

I see that the Daily Heil and Express are losing their shit because Oxford students elected to take down a portrait of the queen from their common room. The only countries I’ve been where it’s mandatory to display an image of the head of state are tin pot dictatorships.

Thought they were keen on Universities being able to do whatever they liked. Or does that only apply when its certain types of event being cancelled?

 

[David O'Day]

Thought they were keen on Universities being able to do whatever they liked. Or does that only apply when its certain types of event being cancelled?

Free speech unless it is against them it seems

 

[skybluetony176]

Thought they were keen on Universities being able to do whatever they liked. Or does that only apply when its certain types of event being cancelled?

Surely you’re not accusing the Daily Heil of hypocrisy in pursuit of a culture war are you?

Daily Mail criticised after 'ridiculous' and 'racist' piece on 'no-go areas for white people'

The Daily Mail is facing massive amounts of backlash after it published a baseless and highly inflammatory article on 'no-go areas for white people'.

www.joe.co.uk

One of the areas they’ve declared a no go area for “whites” is 88% white and weeks earlier in another article they described it as a beautiful leafy area perfect for their readership to settle in.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Covid contract for firm run by Cummings’ friends unlawful, finds judge

Michael Gove acted unlawfully when the government awarded contract without tender process, rules judge

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Covid contract for firm run by Cummings’ friends unlawful, finds judge

Michael Gove acted unlawfully when the government awarded contract without tender process, rules judge

www.theguardian.com

So the ones awarded to Hancock's friends/family, Patel's and every other Tory MP are fine. But Cummings not.

Hmm...

 

[clint van damme]

I see that the Daily Heil and Express are losing their shit because Oxford students elected to take down a portrait of the queen from their common room. The only countries I’ve been where it’s mandatory to display an image of the head of state are tin pot dictatorships.

On the day when some charities have released a report on terminally ill people having their benefits withdrawn.
A cynic might say this is a deliberate distraction.

 

[Ian1779]

I see that the Daily Heil and Express are losing their shit because Oxford students elected to take down a portrait of the queen from their common room. The only countries I’ve been where it’s mandatory to display an image of the head of state are tin pot dictatorships.

Replaced her with a topless Katie Price poster… fucking students.