The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (49 Viewers)

[PVA]

Christ. A mirror joke. Desperate times.

MUST.DEFEND.TORIES.

 

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[SBAndy]

Sick burn bro.

Feel free to explain your jabberings though, should be interesting.

About as much chance of that happening as me winning the Euro Millions tonight.

 

[shmmeee]

Legitimately crying at a grown man using “I know you are but what am I?”

Come on G, explain your great theory on how pensioner poverty is driven by final salary pensions and not the triple lock.

 

[shmmeee]

All academic anyway lads, we’ll have a new PM by tomorrow:



Fucking hell.

 

[Grendel]

The other thing of course about the halcyon days of the Labour government under Blair and brown is that more people were unemployed at the end of utopia than the start of it as was the unemployment rate

A theme that’s true of every Labour government I believe - though have not checked - but clearly was under the catastrophic 70’s regime

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The other thing of course about the halcyon days of the Labour government under Blair and brown is that more people were unemployed at the end of utopia than the start of it as was the unemployment rate

A theme that’s true of every Labour government I believe - though have not checked - but clearly was under the catastrophic 70’s regime

I like how you ignore the intervening years which include a budget surplus and year on year growth. Oh and without a GFC at the end-and I don’t mean Grendel Fried Chicken

 

[Grendel]

I like how you ignore the intervening years which include a budget surplus and year on year growth. Oh and without a GFC at the end-and I don’t mean Grendel Fried Chicken

How is that ignoring anything?

 

[PVA]

Another bit of Project Fear becoming Project Here

 

[skybluetony176]

Nothing to stop the Tories from reinstating them in the last 10+ years has there?

Still waiting for them to abolish VAT.

 

[Sick Boy]

The other thing of course about the halcyon days of the Labour government under Blair and brown is that more people were unemployed at the end of utopia than the start of it as was the unemployment rate

A theme that’s true of every Labour government I believe - though have not checked - but clearly was under the catastrophic 70’s regime

Wasn’t there a global recession just before the end of their time in government?

 

[skybluetony176]

Another bit of Project Fear becoming Project Here

EE announced it today too. If you live in Northern Ireland this was a real problem prior to EU intervention.

Also worth pointing out that the government could have included a continuation of the EU regulation as part of the oven ready deal. But they elected to give control back to the multinationals instead of protecting our rights.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

How would that have even been possible?

Well if Blair and Brown 'wrecked them' surely any of the people that follow them in those can 'unwreck them' by reversing or changing the legislation?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The other thing of course about the halcyon days of the Labour government under Blair and brown is that more people were unemployed at the end of utopia than the start of it as was the unemployment rate

A theme that’s true of every Labour government I believe - though have not checked - but clearly was under the catastrophic 70’s regime

Yet somehow now more people are classed as in poverty and require support from foodbanks etc. So why not just say everyones employed but being paid nothing and hey presto, no unemployment or welfare bill.

 

[shmmeee]

Yet somehow now more people are classed as in poverty and require support from foodbanks etc. So why not just say everyones employed but being paid nothing and hey presto, no unemployment or welfare bill.

Also the classic “people lost work in the global recession Iamverysmart”. Yeah that would be the global recession the U.K. govt at the time was widely credited with leading the response to and avoiding further disaster.

Man’s got a weird chip on his shoulder and it leads him to say some frankly ridiculous things.

 

[PVA]

Man’s got a weird chip on his shoulder and it leads him to say some frankly ridiculous things.

I like it when he says one thing, then some time later forgets the first thing he said and makes an argument that completely contradicts that first point

Inevitable I suppose when you make so many ridiculous points, as you say.

 

[COV]

Yeah that’s fair.

I’m still not sure anyone ever said we’d have a stronger economy right now though did they? Most Brexiters I’ve heard said it would be “short term pain for long term gain” and “could be 50 years before we see the benefits”.

Was watching some videos with Brexit voting farmers and many said they’d vote the same again even though it’s hurt them because it was about freedom not economics.

Of course, they then asked why we aren’t using that freedom to protect British farmers but that’s another topic.

I think they only said the stuff about taking 50 years once they’d won, it was definitely “everything will be better” during the campaign

 

[COV]

Blair and Brown wrecked final salary pension schemes which will have significant implications over the next few years in terms of pension poverty

Did you vote for Blair?

 

[COV]

Wasn’t there a global recession just before the end of their time in government?

We could also ask who was at the helm when we had to withdraw from the ERM in what was widely held to be the most humiliating day in the history of the UK economy

 

[Grendel]

Did you vote for Blair?

No

 

[Grendel]

We could also ask who was at the helm when we had to withdraw from the ERM in what was widely held to be the most humiliating day in the history of the UK economy

The main reason I voted Brexit thanks for reminding me

 

[COV]

No

so you voted for John Major, Hague and Michael Howard?

 

[COV]

The main reason I voted Brexit thanks for reminding me

Well with that bombshell I can now see why so many people say you sidestep everything

 

[Grendel]

so you voted for John Major, Hague and Michael Howard?

I voted I think for probably Hague and no on the others

 

[Grendel]

Well with that bombshell I can now see why so many people say you sidestep everything

Hardly I don’t sidestep anything and I’ve said before despite her tough talk thatcher was a dribbling europhile and it was only when push really came to shove that she renegade against it - push being 16% interest rates

 

[COV]

Hardly I don’t sidestep anything and I’ve said before despite her tough talk thatcher was a dribbling europhile and it was only when push really came to shove that she renegade against it - push being 16% interest rates

You don't sidestep you say I have seen very clearly that it is what you're most known for, apart from the daft stuff I saw about Kenny Jackett & taxis for Robins

 

[Grendel]

You don't sidestep you say I have seen very clearly that it is what you're most known for, apart from the daft stuff I saw about Kenny Jackett & taxis for Robins

Odd how you sidestepped all the direct quotes out the mouths of Mr Corbyn and Mr McDonnell and rambled on about a Chilean dictator

 

[COV]

Odd how you sidestepped all the direct quotes out the mouths of Mr Corbyn and Mr McDonnell and rambled on about a Chilean dictator

Well in actual fact I did say that they are all terrible acts, and you are either against that type of thing or you are not. Corbyn and McDonnell were obviously massively wrong to do that, and also that does not excuse Thatcher who did just the same- 30,000 people missing, killed or tortured and she sends Pinochet a bottle of booze to say thanks for his help. Are you saying its possible to say which is worse? An atrocity is an atrocity. A person's ethics and sense of right & wrong should not be dictated purely by who you vote for, unfortunately in your case you are very warped and willingly guided by your political slant, which is a bit sick.

Having clarified that you are indeed telling porkies about what I said, it reminds me- you also seem to be very well known for your twisting of the truth

 

[PVA]

"I don't sidestep anything"



I've asked you directly about 5 times to condemn Islamophobia and you sidestep it every time.

 

[COV]

"I don't sidestep anything"



I've asked you directly about 5 times to condemn Islamophobia and you sidestep it every time.

Its like I said- he knows its wrong, he knows its disgusting, he just won't say it because in his mind he thinks/ knows it will lead to him having to answer awkward questions about his political party.

Antisemitism and Islamophobia are both horrible, why people can't just come out and say that is beyond me, I don't see why politics has to come into everything.

 

[Grendel]

Well in actual fact I did say that they are all terrible acts, and you are either against that type of thing or you are not. Corbyn and McDonnell were obviously massively wrong to do that, and also that does not excuse Thatcher who did just the same- 30,000 people missing, killed or tortured and she sends Pinochet a bottle of booze to say thanks for his help. Are you saying its possible to say which is worse? An atrocity is an atrocity. A person's ethics and sense of right & wrong should not be dictated purely by who you vote for, unfortunately in your case you are very warped and willingly guided by your political slant, which is a bit sick.

Having clarified that you are indeed telling porkies about what I said, it reminds me- you also seem to be very well known for your twisting of the truth

So you didn’t vote for Mr Corbyn?

 

[COV]

So you didn’t vote for Mr Corbyn?

No I did not vote for Mr Corbyn, nor have I ever.

Even if I had have done, I would have no issue calling him out on anything distasteful the man may have done.

 

[PVA]

Its like I said- he knows its wrong, he knows its disgusting, he just won't say it because in his mind he thinks/ knows it will lead to him having to answer awkward questions about his political party.

Unfortunately I disagree on this, I think he genuinely has no problem with Islamophobia.

 

[COV]

Unfortunately I disagree on this, I think he genuinely has no problem with Islamophobia.

thats fair enough- I haven't read enough of his posts to make any judgement on that tbh

 

[Grendel]

No I did not vote for Mr Corbyn, nor have I ever.

Even if I had have done, I would have no issue calling him out on anything distasteful the man may have done.

The Blair creature? Ever vote for him?

 

[COV]

The Blair creature? Ever vote for him?

Nope. Never.

You can't work it out can you? Its such a novel concept that someone would have their own views on what is right and wrong not dictated by a political party.

"he said Thatcher did something bad, he must be Labour"
"he said Corbyn did something bad, he must be a Tory"

I think Blair is a war criminal who should be in jail, and he didn't need to do it, I think Thatcher was just pure evil, I think Kinnock was a unlikeable ranting idiot, Corbyn was unelectable and also a bit cultish (I'll never forget Corbyn announcing free wifi to try and compete with "Get Brexit Done"), Major was dour and a total hyprocrite ("back to basics"), people say John Smith was going to be an all time great but I have no clue why, Johnson is just a walking talking joke of a human being, Cameron was the worst PM in memory until Boris came along, May was just cannon fodder and Labour almost brought the country to a standstill before all that- and thats as far back as I go.

I don't understand why people can't call it as it is. Why is one man a monster for saying one thing and another man excused for something similar purely because he's on "our side"