Grendel
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Oh that happened in the elections post 97 has it? Wow I didn’t know the woollen milk lot stood in every election since
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Oh that happened in the elections post 97 has it? Wow I didn’t know the woollen milk lot stood in every election since
Ian1779
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If you’d read any of my posts recently you’d know I’m not exactly playing down how shite Starmer is am I?
skybluetony176
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That was sort of the opposite to the red wall though. The seat was a huge remain seat and there was lots of opposition to HS2 also. If you watched the coverage there was lots of traditional Tory voters saying the same things that traditional Labour voters have been saying. That being that the party that they’ve traditionally voted for no longer represent them.
Grendel
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Others are
Doesn't really matter whether it's Starmer, Corbyn or Mr Blobby in charge.
What chance do they have when the opposition are sending out fake leaflets, throwing Labour campaigners to the ground and the Labour candidate is being intimidated?
Edit: that's not to take away from the state of the Labour Party at the moment
What chance do they have when the opposition are sending out fake leaflets, throwing Labour campaigners to the ground and the Labour candidate is being intimidated?
Edit: that's not to take away from the state of the Labour Party at the moment
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shmmeee
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What are you on about? You really are showing your lack of political knowledge up if you think this, or the last one, say anything about the current leaders and aren’t just continuations of trends that have been going for ages.
You were the one pushing the (sensible) hypothesis that most voters don’t pay attention and are just happy with the status quo, now you’ve joined the Corbyn revolutionaries in claiming it’s a referendum on Starmers leadership, all while continuing your new found love of the antisemitic.
You’ll be belting out The People’s Flag and pushing loony conspiracy theories about WhatsApp messages before the year is out at this rate.
Grendel
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No I’m saying the opposite - dump the hopeless dullard Starmer, break with Red Len and the rabble that control the party and persuade the now rather popular and somewhat charismatic man from the north or consign yourselves to history
Ian1779
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I’m assuming here that you’re not suggesting that Red Len and the ‘rabble that control the party’ are not the same people?
Grendel
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Well Union leaders and bat shit members is the point. Labour should break the hold from unions - the fact it has any say in leadership elections has already set it back with the appointment of the hopeless Milliband rather that the Blairite clone which would have created stability
shmmeee
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Then like the right of Labour you want Starmer to stay on, tackle the left, and change the rule book. You should be cheering him on.
Philosoraptor
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Going well then..
I wonder what these figures would be like if they included the ones which have left Labour.
I wonder what these figures would be like if they included the ones which have left Labour.
shmmeee
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You missed the bit where more say he’s doing a good job and should stay and that Yvette Cooper is their pick for a replacement.
Philosoraptor
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The one that got 17% in the 2015 Labour leadership contest.
If this is weighted to people who have supported Yvette Cooper in the past then the Labour Party is well and truly screwed. The polling about Starmer could be much worse.
shmmeee
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That’s the one, same as the Andy Burnham who got 19%.
YouGovs membership weighting is fine, they’ve been scarily close on every Labour internal election recently.
Philosoraptor
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Makes you wonder how many people have left Labour over the last 12 months for the polling to be like this.
Any news on when the Forde Report is going to be released?
shmmeee
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When the ICO finish their investigation same as last time you asked
Why on Earth would you poll people who don’t have a vote? I bet Corbyns numbers would’ve been worse if you’d added in all the Blairites who left.
Here’s what you can take from that poll: Labour members are generally happy with Starmer and want him to stay on and if he didn’t they want a centrist Blairite leader instead.
Sorry if that doesn’t confirm your biases.
Philosoraptor
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When the ICO finish their investigation same as last time you asked
Why on Earth would you poll people who don’t have a vote? I bet Corbyns numbers would’ve been worse if you’d added in all the Blairites who left.
Here’s what you can take from that poll: Labour members are generally happy with Starmer and want him to stay on and if he didn’t they want a centrist Blairite leader instead.
Sorry if that doesn’t confirm your biases.
How do you reckon the by-election is going to go tomorrow in Batley & Spen?
A resounding win for Labour or a third by-election defeat?
shmmeee
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Probably a loss, trends are against us and right wing vote won’t be split three ways. I take your diversion to mean I won the last argument
Philosoraptor
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Probably a loss, trends are against us and right wing vote won’t be split three ways. I take your diversion to mean I won the last argument
Just trying to show the futility of your argument.
skybluetony176
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shmmeee
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And ended up showing yours. Come on then who is your pick to lead Labour to victory? Which of political titans of the SCG will win the public over against Boris?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I wouldn't describe Carrie as an easy ride. She sounds like a nightmare. Or perhaps you meant Arcuri?
Sky Blue Pete
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oakey
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I think you inadvertently exemplified my point. A woman's affairs would reflect badly on her not her partners. Johnson is seen as "a bit of a lad." A woman leader would be seen as a "slut" or an "old bag" or, at best, a "cougar".
It’sabatch87
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ThisYou cant debate in an echo chamber especially one that’s in a minority in the country
let’s look at some of the excellent debates on here
The Tory cabinet should be arrested and charged with killing people
The Queen is a stupid grey haired old woman who should stop the evil Tories
Tories don’t like brown people (odd as it’s the only party that’s employed brown people in big cabinet jobs)
The media are owned by the Tories
The country is no better than North Korea
The country is brainwashing its stupid public (excluding the amazingly intelligent people on SBT politic threads of course well as long as they are part of the dead Labour loser club and support the hugely well thought out ideas from brain dead gimps on Twitter )
Anyone with any sense should move to the poverty hell hole of Wales or The national socialist Scotland.
Most people are rejecting capitalism
Meanwhile in the real world outside this absurd bubble Labour are derided and ridiculed and in all probability will make history on Thursday
Ian1779
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You are literally the only person on here saying an SCG member is going to challenge Starmer. It’ll be the right that tries to depose him when it suits their agenda best.
shmmeee
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Itll be the soft left who get rid of any leader. The right have more political nous than to try if it isn’t a certainty and we aren’t facing imminent disaster.
Literally the only people pushing this (and have been since day one) are the left like philosoraptor. He’s the one saying Starmer is in trouble if the left were undersampled in that poll.
Philosoraptor
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Making up your own straw man fallacy again shmmeee.
Let's face it, there will be enough vibrations going on in certain parts of Cov Labour tonight about the thought of Yvette Cooper becoming Labour leader to power Nuneaton for a couple of hours.
Don't worry that the public and Labour members have rejected New Labour on numerous occasions. Keep grabbing hold of that ever-shrinking Labour ticket in Coventry.
Ian1779
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Starmer is in a hole of his own making. We know Boris is Teflon at the moment, so he should be going around telling people that Labour have some excellent local authorities and metro mayors making a real difference in people lives where they are running a progressive programme. Instead he’s chasing the tail of focus groups, completely oblivious to the changing voter landscape. It’s not all his fault to be fair, but he has surrounded himself with some utter useless people, both his personal team and the people he has put in his shadow cabinet. All we are hearing at the moment from them is stuff about not being able to afford things… it’s literally straight out of Osborne’s austerity playbook.
Sky Blue Pete
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When was new Labour rejected?
shmmeee
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Because they only won three elections in a row and not four.
I don’t think New Labour would work today, even Blair doesn’t think that. But clearly what doesn’t work is being the SWP.
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shmmeee
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Thats all well and good, but like Grendel on a match thread it doesn’t mean much without a name. Cooper is seemingly the best bet and she’s a female Starmer except more right wing economically.
He’s not going anywhere and all the left are doing with this constant hum of “Starmer should go” is exactly what the right did that got the left so upset 2015-17.
Boris is Teflon and the worlds luckiest politician. Not just Brexit but pandemic bounce as well and knowing our luck England will win a major tournament and make him even more untouchable