Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (229 Viewers)

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

If we are serious about eliminating it and moving on we need to push to get the developing world vaccinated ASAP.

If the whole planet would be vaccinated this will still be here and we will be hearing the same excuses and distractions for years to come.

I think people need to get away from this mindset otherwise it really is never going to end.

 

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[Nick]

Are we still the only country reporting deaths because people die with it?

As always, you can spin things how you want.

 

[Ian1779]

And when their take up is 50%?

Will go a long way to reducing risk from the development of new variants.

 

[PVA]

It's all very well saying it's just mild cold symptoms for most, why are we wetting the bed, but clearly it's having a big impact

Covid: London 'major incident' declared due to Omicron rise

Mayor Sadiq Khan says the variant is having an impact on staff absences in the emergency services.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Nick]

It's all very well saying it's just mild cold symptoms for most, why are we wetting the bed, but clearly it's having a big impact

Covid: London 'major incident' declared due to Omicron rise

Mayor Sadiq Khan says the variant is having an impact on staff absences in the emergency services.

www.bbc.co.uk

The symptoms are irrelevant when people have to isolate. They could be an itchy arse but when people have to stay at home for 10 days its going to cause an issue.

A good stat should be how many are serious illnesses, how many people will be sat at home now with a cold for 10 days.

 

[SBT]

Yes, correct. What is your point?

I didn’t know if the rules had changed, seeing as you’d been coy on here about your own vaccination status.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Absolutely this is the answer but the problem at the moment is we have a set of leaders who are short sighted and whose popularity is based on nationalism, so international cooperation is not likely. Same with climate change unfortunately. The worst leaders at the worst possible time, especially ours.

You say that but one of the (very few) things we’ve done in this mess that I’m proud of was fund the development of a vaccine and ensure the producer (AZ) would deliver initial X billion doses at not for profit, not just for us but for the wider world. How many other countries have done that ?

We also stuck a load of cash into Covax that countries like Canada dipped into ahead of developing world and even traded surplus stock to countries like Australia to help their vaccination programmes

If people need to point the finger in relation to the wider world try

China - nothing further needed. A disgrace
Pfizer/US - questionable conduct regarding their own data whilst encouraging anti AZ rhetoric
Macron and some other Europen leaders - pumping false info about Oxford/AZ for their own political gain/arse covering which apparently led to some developing countries and public refusing AZ vaccine thinking they were developed world rejects. Not to mention leading to further vaccine hesitancy elsewhere

There’s been some poor decisions locally but internationally we’ve done a lot more than most

 

[PVA]

The symptoms are irrelevant when people have to isolate. They could be an itchy arse but when people have to stay at home for 10 days its going to cause an issue.

A good stat should be how many are serious illnesses, how many people will be sat at home now with a cold for 10 days.

Well yeah, but that's not the point.

Whether the symptoms are a runny nose or an itchy arse it's obviously incredibly transmissible and that's causing serious issues.

 

[MusicDating]

Will go a long way to reducing risk from the development of new variants.

How many unvaccinated people are needed to develop a new variant? We've got 7m in this country...

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I didn’t know if the rules had changed, seeing as you’d been coy on here about your own vaccination status.

That's what happens when you regard everyone who doesn't have the same opinion as you as an anti vaxxer. You get sloppy and start making bizarre statements.

 

[SBT]

That's what happens when you regard everyone who doesn't have the same opinion as you as an anti vaxxer. You get sloppy and start making bizarre statements.

I didn’t make any bizarre statements, I was just asking the question. Glad you got vaccinated and hopefully you’ll still get to go to the US.

 

[Nick]

Well yeah, but that's not the point.

Whether the symptoms are a runny nose or an itchy arse it's obviously incredibly transmissible and that's causing serious issues.

The issue is caused by isolation rather than the actual illness it's self so far.

Of cause things will come to a stand still, even if the vast majority aren't experiencing anything more than a runny nose.

It's stupid and can see it happening every year from now on when the sneeze variant is out around the same time people usually get hayfever.

It will be justified by people dying "with" it. How many people die with a penis?

 

[CCFCSteve]

The symptoms are irrelevant when people have to isolate. They could be an itchy arse but when people have to stay at home for 10 days its going to cause an issue.

A good stat should be how many are serious illnesses, how many people will be sat at home now with a cold for 10 days.

There’s a lot of talk about reducing the 10 days isolation. I read somewhere that 98% of transmission would happen in first five days and this might be even less with Omicron. They should consider moving to second test after say 5 or 6 but not sure if PCRs are too sensitive so they might still show positive result even if it’s past the point of contagiousness. Needs sorting going forward

 

[chiefdave]

Are we still the only country reporting deaths because people die with it?

As always, you can spin things how you want.

Where have you got that we're the only country doing that from?

I've just googled several of our nearest European neighbours and they all seem to do the same. Obviously not a definativie answer as I haven't verified their sources but it didn't seem like we were an odd one out.

One paper was even reporting that some regions in Spain are counting people who've shown symptoms but haven't tested positive. Belgium seem to do the same with care home residents, its a covid death if they have symptoms but no test.

 

[PVA]

The issue is caused by isolation rather than the actual illness it's self so far.

Of cause things will come to a stand still, even if the vast majority aren't experiencing anything more than a runny nose.

It's stupid and can see it happening every year from now on when the sneeze variant is out around the same time people usually get hayfever.

It will be justified by people dying "with" it. How many people die with a penis?

'it's just a cold!'

Two years on and you still don't get it. I give up.

 

[Nick]

There’s a lot of talk about reducing the 10 days isolation. I read somewhere that 98% of transmission would happen in first five days and this might be even less with Omicron. They should consider moving to second test after say 5 or 6 but not sure if PCRs are too sensitive so they might still show positive result even if it’s past the point of contagiousness. Needs sorting going forward

Boosters aren't going to save the NHS or make a difference in the spread while isolation is so extreme.

Like you say, they need to change how that works as it's going to be causing the most issues.

They should publish how many NHS staff can't go to work because of it. I know somebody who can't go to work in walsgrave because somebody they live with has it with very mild symptoms, even though they are PCR tested negative.

People can say it's all down to unvaccinated but it's the policies that are going to cause all the issues.

 

[chiefdave]

You say that but one of the (very few) things we’ve done in this mess that I’m proud of was fund the development of a vaccine and ensure the producer (AZ) would deliver initial X billion doses at not for profit, not just for us but for the wider world. How many other countries have done that ?

Just a gut feeling but I wouldn't be surprised if we find out down the line that all is not quite as it seems at face value with that. Couple of things have made me a little suspicious.

There was a report done that tried to trace back all the research and funding that led to the vaccine and found it to be 97% public funding.

AZ have declared the pandemic over and have moved away from their NFP model. I'm not sure that there's many people who would agree the pandemic was now endemic.

 

[Nick]

'it's just a cold!'

Two years on and you still don't get it. I give up.

I fully get it.

Maybe they can publish how many people are isolating with no symptoms or very mild symptoms where people would usually go to work?

It isn't omicron that's going to bring the country to its knees again. It's the stupid red tape around it.

There are going to be thousands of people with nothing more than a cold having to sit in their house for 10 days rather than going to work.

 

[chiefdave]

Own up, how many of you bought one of these

Anti-5G necklaces found to be radioactive

Conspiracy theories about 5G have fuelled a market for "anti-5G" accessories.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[PVA]

I fully get it.

Maybe they can publish how many people are isolating with no symptoms or very mild symptoms where people would usually go to work?

It isn't omicron that's going to bring the country to its knees again. It's the stupid red tape around it.

There are going to be thousands of people with nothing more than a cold having to sit in their house for 10 days rather than going to work.

You don't get it.

It doesn't matter that they only have cold like symptoms.

 

[baldy]

It's all very well saying it's just mild cold symptoms for most, why are we wetting the bed, but clearly it's having a big impact

Covid: London 'major incident' declared due to Omicron rise

Mayor Sadiq Khan says the variant is having an impact on staff absences in the emergency services.

www.bbc.co.uk

What‘s the betting that most,if not all,of these absences are just people with normal cold symptoms which they wouldn’t have even contemplated isolating for before pandemic times?
The whole country really is just ultra panicking over this Moronic variant…it’s pathetic to see

 

[Nick]

You don't get it.

It doesn't matter that they only have cold like symptoms.

The isolation bullshit will kill many more people than actual omicron will.

What happens if it turns out 90% of people who get omicron have very minimal symptoms and then some have serious illness and some deaths.

At what point is lockdown and isolation justified? Will it be 2025 and we are locked down and people isolating over something with a 0.001% death rate?

It needs some context to it. The major issue is going to be people being forced to sit at home when otherwise they wouldn't. So yeah. It can be "just a cold" for the vast majority but if you can't go to work for 10 days then the issue is that.

 

[Ian1779]

How many unvaccinated people are needed to develop a new variant? We've got 7m in this country...

Using absolute values without context is meaningless - populations size and proportion fully vaccinated should be considered.
For context - in SA where this variant supposedly originated they have only 26% fully vaccinated from a population of 60m we have 70% of a 68m population.

 

[Nick]

COVID-19 Data Explorer

Explore global data on COVID-19.

ourworldindata.org

This graph is interesting too.

COVID-19 Data Explorer

Explore global data on COVID-19.

ourworldindata.org

This one obviously has cases rocketing, hospitalisations starting an upward curve but deaths down.

 

[CCFCSteve]

The great British press !!! Headline and in article comment

 

[Nick]

Of course, it drives fear.

People get something and get told loads will die from it.

Then blame the unvaccinated for it all.

Leaves the actual cunts at the top and the cunts who will financially gain watching the normal people argue amongst themselves.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Sick of this shit now

 

[fernandopartridge]

I fully get it.

Maybe they can publish how many people are isolating with no symptoms or very mild symptoms where people would usually go to work?

It isn't omicron that's going to bring the country to its knees again. It's the stupid red tape around it.

There are going to be thousands of people with nothing more than a cold having to sit in their house for 10 days rather than going to work.

Have you had a brain injury? The point of isolation isn't so the person has time to feel better it's to try and stop the thing spreading. While for some people it will be mild for others it will not and the bigger the spread the more people with severe illness and the more pressure on the NHS.

I get the arguments about no more lockdowns but self isolation when you've had a positive test isn't really that arguable.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Is anyone else having problems getting flow tests from their pharmacy?

Visited a couple of chemists the last two days in my local area. Out of stock.

Had to order online.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Is anyone else having problems getting flow tests from their pharmacy?

Visited a couple of chemists the last two days in my local area. Out of stock.

Had to order online.

People hoarding. They’re this years big roll equivalent, but even better as they’re free

 

[Nick]

Have you had a brain injury? The point of isolation isn't so the person has time to feel better it's to try and stop the thing spreading. While for some people it will be mild for others it will not and the bigger the spread the more people with severe illness and the more pressure on the NHS.

I get the arguments about no more lockdowns but self isolation when you've had a positive test isn't really that arguable.

Is that known with omicron?

My point is where do you limit it? Is it going to be that there's actually more NHS staff isolating than people seriously ill from omicron?

At what point is the risk from making everybody isolate worse than people having the actual thing?

The pressure isn't just going to be people turning up with severe illness regardles of how it's spun.

As sad as it is, people will get severe illness from all sorts of things. There has to be a line where they say there's going to be more carnage from these thousands of people isolating as opposed to many less people actually dying because if it.

 

[Sick Boy]

I didn’t know if the rules had changed, seeing as you’d been coy on here about your own vaccination status.

He said quite a while ago he intended to get vaccinated.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Have you had a brain injury? The point of isolation isn't so the person has time to feel better it's to try and stop the thing spreading. While for some people it will be mild for others it will not and the bigger the spread the more people with severe illness and the more pressure on the NHS.

I get the arguments about no more lockdowns but self isolation when you've had a positive test isn't really that arguable.

As I mention above there is a sensible discussion to be had around length of self isolation though to minimise periods where a person is isolating but isn’t contagious. There is also a theory that if you are able to safely reduce the period you’ll get a higher rate of compliance. It would need to be tied into new testing requirements though

 

[Nick]

For example the "Case Fatality Rate" which looks to be 0.24% at the last update which won't have time for all the Omicron to kick in.

At what point IF it hopefully does remain really low does somebody say, "actually, if you are a double jabbed and boosted paramedic then isolate for less time on production of a negative Lateral flow".

There will be a point where making every stay locked away for 10 days is going to be more destructive than letting them pass it on to 2 or 3 people that they might. For example.

 

[fernandopartridge]

For example the "Case Fatality Rate" which looks to be 0.24% at the last update which won't have time for all the Omicron to kick in.

At what point IF it hopefully does remain really low does somebody say, "actually, if you are a double jabbed and boosted paramedic then isolate for less time on production of a negative Lateral flow".

There will be a point where making every stay locked away for 10 days is going to be more destructive than letting them pass it on to 2 or 3 people that they might. For example.

That's a case fatality rate of 1 in 400, are you sure you've not missed a decimal place there!