fatso
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He also helped win a play off final game at Wembley for us, or have you forgotten that?
And I can vividly remember how shit we were whenever he was unavailable.
Amazing how some people forget things so easily.
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And I can vividly remember how shit we were whenever he was unavailable.
Amazing how some people forget things so easily.
Barnsley
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yeah you’d need 600K and a 30% sell on minimum given your original out lay.
rob9872
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The thing with stats is you can interpret them how you like.
You could equally have posted that last season as top scorer he only scored 2 more than Biamou (7 v 5) and this year he has scored 2 league goals in 18 appearances.
Neither yours above or mine are a fair representation of what he's achieved and where he is, which is likely somewhere in the middle.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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I was more edging at the 8 years he spent not offering much whilst in the championship before.
he was good admittedly at league two level. I’d argue that McNnulty was more instrumental in that final and his 28 goals to get us there though
Sick Boy
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…good to see you’ve still got the lower league mentality ingrained. He was average at best for the majority of his time at the club.
Grendel
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Wonderful - so we paid him for 9 years in a higher league and had to experience two relegations to find his level
Londonccfcfan
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No where near a million. Probably up to a million. Up front not even half that.
Grendel
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i don’t see how you would know that
Londonccfcfan
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You dont know that either.
Grendel
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it was reported at the time of being in that ballpark. It’s clearly going to be a reasonable fee as he was with a championship club and he’d scored 30 goals in two seasons at the clubs he was loaned to which was at a better rate than godden who we paid £750k for from a league 1 club
Legia Sky Blue
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He was not in anyway responsible for our 2 relegations, and it could be argued that if he had been part of those teams we wouldn't have been relegated in the first place.
As for the original point Walker is not lazy. Robins would not give him the time of day if he was. He has also been unlucky in his time with us having badly timed injuries, covid and in us signing Gyokeres who has exceeded everyone's expectations. Football is full of ups and downs though and it is quite feasible that he could be a much more regular feature in the 2nd half of the season.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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tbat wasn’t the point he was making, the point is we paid Doyle for 9 years, and we had to get relegated twice to find Doyle’s natural level.
David O'Day
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Once more but in English please Pub League
David O'Day
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Doyle will having his uses was not a good footballer
PUSB-We_are_going_up
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No we just picked him up again when he was 35/36, and he looked fine in League 1 until a couple games in where you could tell his legs had gone
Ccfcisparks
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He was nowhere near the level for League 1
PUSB-We_are_going_up
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I think he was, but not like a mid table/ play off contending, I would have said relegation battling
Legia Sky Blue
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The same prejudices used against Walker were always evident in Doyle's distractors too, but kind of by using reverse logic. While Walker is accused of being lazy, Doyle was just a headless chicken who ran a lot. Both are simplistic nonsense, but of course they are the terms that football supporters like to base their opinions around.
Doyle was in his mid 30's when apparently he found his 'natural' level. However, in reality his natural level at his peak was lower/ mid table Championship whether you like it or not, as that is where he played in those peak years. While playing for us in his first spell he was also hamstrung mostly by having poor options alongside him, be it a disinterested Stephen Hughes, Sideways Sammy or ageing has beens like Cameron or MIchael Hughes. When he got to play alongside half decent players like Wise, Gudjonsson & Stephen Hughes (first season only), both he and the team performed better. While he might not have been good enough to have been part of an upper level Championship team, if he had been part of either of our relegated squads I doubt we would have gone down so meekly as we did.
Anyhow nice to go back in time and re-visit arguments from yesteryear. Can we discuss the merits of Carl Baker next
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Hughes and Clingan were far better players, Doyle didn’t have the pace to tackle on time and his passing was abysmal.The same prejudices used against Walker were always evident in Doyle's distractors too, but kind of by using reverse logic. While Walker is accused of being lazy, Doyle was just a headless chicken who ran a lot. Both are simplistic nonsense, but of course they are the terms that football supporters like to base their opinions around.
Doyle was in his mid 30's when apparently he found his 'natural' level. However, in reality his natural level at his peak was lower/ mid table Championship whether you like it or not, as that is where he played in those peak years. While playing for us in his first spell he was also hamstrung mostly by having poor options alongside him, be it a disinterested Stephen Hughes, Sideways Sammy or ageing has beens like Cameron or MIchael Hughes. When he got to play alongside half decent players like Wise, Gudjonsson & Stephen Hughes (first season only), both he and the team performed better. While he might not have been good enough to have been part of an upper level Championship team, if he had been part of either of our relegated squads I doubt we would have gone down so meekly as we did.
Anyhow nice to go back in time and re-visit arguments from yesteryear. Can we discuss the merits of Carl Baker next
like Walker, Hughes and Clingan were given the “lazy/disinterested“ tag.
im glad you mentioned Wise though, Doyle’s best games came coincidentally came when Wise was carrying him
Grendel
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Hughes was vastly superior - if he had a real defensive midfielder like wise with him at his peak it would have been a far better combination. Doyle was pathetic in terms of tackles and real midfield holding ability
Legia Sky Blue
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Hughes and Clingan were technically better but offered far less to the team than Doyle, bar Hughes first season when he did perform well. Even though Doyle was viewed as inferior in quality to these players, he was far more effective than them, both in disrupting the opposition, galvanising our own team, and even in terms of goal scoring. Hughes and Clingan simply turned into safety first players who always took the simple option, which was the polar opposite to Wise. For me Doyle wasn't our problem in those years, it was the players we chose to partner him. Incidentally in his first spell Doyle wasn't as slow as pointed out either, that really is a case of re-writing history.
Anyhow we clearly disagree, no matter what i say nothing will change your minds and vice versa. This has digressed from Walker who is the here and now so maybe the discussion should revert to that!
Anyhow we clearly disagree, no matter what i say nothing will change your minds and vice versa. This has digressed from Walker who is the here and now so maybe the discussion should revert to that!
Covcraig@bury
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Can you please stop stalking me , my wife getting jealous ffs.
fatso
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Good post, unfortunately you are unlikely to convince the usual idiots.The same prejudices used against Walker were always evident in Doyle's distractors too, but kind of by using reverse logic. While Walker is accused of being lazy, Doyle was just a headless chicken who ran a lot. Both are simplistic nonsense, but of course they are the terms that football supporters like to base their opinions around.
Doyle was in his mid 30's when apparently he found his 'natural' level. However, in reality his natural level at his peak was lower/ mid table Championship whether you like it or not, as that is where he played in those peak years. While playing for us in his first spell he was also hamstrung mostly by having poor options alongside him, be it a disinterested Stephen Hughes, Sideways Sammy or ageing has beens like Cameron or MIchael Hughes. When he got to play alongside half decent players like Wise, Gudjonsson & Stephen Hughes (first season only), both he and the team performed better. While he might not have been good enough to have been part of an upper level Championship team, if he had been part of either of our relegated squads I doubt we would have gone down so meekly as we did.
Anyhow nice to go back in time and re-visit arguments from yesteryear. Can we discuss the merits of Carl Baker next
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Depends what your preference of player is really. Some prefer your Doyle, Run guts into the ground regardless of ability, others prefer players with technical ability.
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Others feel you need a mixture
tommy hutch legend
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Don't think walker fits in with our style of play shame really. Under a different manager or system may do well but good option to have off the bench imo
Liquid Gold
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Our record was far worse in L2 when Kelly had his spell out injured. Also, our form drastically improved when we moved him on from our L1 team.
Terry_dactyl
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That’s right…He was a Great footballer!!
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Or even the unusual ones?
I was really pissed off when we re-signed Doyle. I read an article shortly after, interviewing a Pompey fan who said they were not sure what he did when he played, but they were definitely worse when he didn’t play.
Never rated him first time around. Bit of a club legend/great servant to the club etc now.
PUSB-We_are_going_up
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I would say probably a cult hero rather than legend
Legia Sky Blue
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Did you research anything to back this statement up? In our League 2 season Doyle missed 2 league games - both of which we lost. Kelly missed a dozen or so league games - did we lose all of them too? For the most part of our League 2 season Kelly wasn't that special. He did however improve significantly, as the team did as a whole towards the end of the season, and particularly in the play offs and he ended up playing a major part in that success.
To be fair your final sentence does have merit though. League 1 at that stage of his career proved a little beyond Doyle and we did improve after MR released him, and from which point Kelly really stepped up to the plate. I guess it could be argued that Kelly might also have stepped up as a leader in League 2 if Doyle had not been present too, although on the limited evidence of the 2 games Doyle missed and which incidentally Kelly played in, that wasn't so apparent at the time.
SkyblueDad
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In his second stint here Michael Doyle was excellent and spearheaded our division 2 promotion I’d never take that away from him, started ok in division one but hadn’t quiet got the legs long term. He sees Cov as his club too.
Finham
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Or....alternatively, Wise went from being a washed up Southampton reserve who we got for nothing (same division as us remember then) to having a last hurrah as he had Doyle doing his running for him-the same as the best we saw McAllister play for us was with Carlton Fooking Palmer alongside him? Legia's right, it's not a matter of "good footballer/bad footballer", its a lot more nuanced!