Nick
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Taking a shot doesn't mean you won't ever get COVID or Transmit COVID either though.
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Taking a shot doesn't mean you won't ever get COVID or Transmit COVID either though.
shmmeee
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Wearing a condom doesn’t mean you won’t get someone pregnant or get an STD but you still wrap up before shagging a rando in the Colly toilets.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Not all scenarios are the same. If you're working in a hospital or care home the threat you pose to people when unvaccinated is much higher than if you're going out to the football or a restaurant because it's got the highest concentration of vulnerable people with weaker immunity. The isolation rules themselves certainly need to end in schools and universities and in general ought to be relaxed because we know more about when people are most infectious
Skybluefaz
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There's a metaphor for the ages.
Yeah, will never happen here. It’s what I’d say though then it’s individuals call what they do and what risk they’re willing to take. Other countries are taking far more drastic actions
Nick
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Of course in some cases it will be.
Just because people might be wary it doesn't mean they are listening to Right Said Fred though does it?
If you are fairly obese you are much more likely to be seriously ill from COVID (or be clogging up NHS beds)
Sick Boy
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Sorry to hear that, the only incident I’ve had was overhearing a security guard in a supermarket in Hove making a comment about me wearing a mask while over there in September. Not sure it’s a good idea for me to go back there again.
clint van damme
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Look at the numbers in the thread Iposted, can you find any examples of the NHS being put under that much sustained pressure by obesity, or smoking or alcohol related issues?
It/they, are really shit comparisons. This is a once in a lifetime global pandemic.
skybluetony176
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Wearing a seatbelt doesn’t mean you won’t die in a car crash, wearing a crash helmet doesn’t mean that you won’t die in a motorcycle accident. Both significantly increase your chance of survival and reduce your chance of serious injury though. You could literally do this all day.
Nick
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So why is there no massive push for people to lose weight to also protect them from COVID? Why aren't people being shamed for that? If anything in the first lockdown, it was almost encouraged the way there was the "one walk a day" type shite.
Nobody sane shags in those toilets, clearly it's the park up the road.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Sorry to hear that, the only incident I’ve had was overhearing a security guard in a supermarket in Hove making a comment about me wearing a mask while over there in September. Not sure it’s a good idea for me to go back there again.
It's like the climate change debate, when you want to use more technical arguments or data with anti vaxxers it's not allowed because the other party doesn't understand it or just says it's made up.
Nick
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How many hospitalisations per year are due to obesity?
chiefdave
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The diet industry in the UK alone is worth £2m. I'm pretty sure if you told people they just needed to turn up at their doctors every 6 months for a jab you'd pretty much eliminate obesity overnight.
Brighton Sky Blue
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So why is there no massive push for people to lose weight to also protect them from COVID? Why aren't people being shamed for that? If anything in the first lockdown, it was almost encouraged the way there was the "one walk a day" type shite.
Nobody sane shags in those toilets, clearly it's the park up the road.
Well as someone who has only ever known being overweight I've been shamed and had the piss taken for decades. Do keep making it analogous to believing internet nonsense to not get jabbed
Nick
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Yeah, not being obese also reduces your chances significantly too.
skybluetony176
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Right said Fred are one of the conduits for the bollocks. Whether you’re specifically listening to them or not you’re clearly listening to the same bollocks and coming to the same ill informed conclusions.
skybluetony176
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There’s always been a push for people to lose weight for the benefit of their health.So why is there no massive push for people to lose weight to also protect them from COVID? Why aren't people being shamed for that? If anything in the first lockdown, it was almost encouraged the way there was the "one walk a day" type shite.
Nobody sane shags in those toilets, clearly it's the park up the road.
shmmeee
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So why is there no massive push for people to lose weight to also protect them from COVID? Why aren't people being shamed for that? If anything in the first lockdown, it was almost encouraged the way there was the "one walk a day" type shite.
Nobody sane shags in those toilets, clearly it's the park up the road.
It’s been forgotten not just Boris did say after he caught it he was going to push that. Never happened though.
There’s been a massive push for people to lose weight for years though. But it’s a societal problem across the world we don’t have an easy solution for. What we have done is change planning law, advertising law, introduced a sugar tax, spend billions on public information, etc.
Nick
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I meant in regards to COVID and hospitalisation and strain on the NHS rather than mates taking the piss.
Obesity is a massive factor with COVID.
I'm not saying it's a reason not to get jabbed, I am saying at what point should the rules and treatment be stopped if people refuse to try and lose weight.
Nick
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Not so much COVID though? Especially in the younger population where Obesity seems to make more of a difference.
clint van damme
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It's not relevant, not sure what you're not grasping?
This pandemic is putting the NHS under unheard of sustained pressure.
There is nothing to compare it to.
And just for the record I don't want to see anyone denied treatment or pushed to the back of the queue based on vacinne status, weight, being a smoker, being a piss head etc, etc.
skybluetony176
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You’ve reached the point where you’re using your own argument to dismiss your own argument. Well done.
Nick
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Again, just because people are wary for various reasons it doesn't mean they are listening to Right Said Fred.
Brighton Sky Blue
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It's not like I or others haven't tried...I get you assume everyone's overweight because they're greedy slobs, some sure but it's not that simple most of the time.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I guarantee 99% of those reasons can be debunked in a few minutes
Nick
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So it's not relevant how many people are hospitalised due to obesity and putting strain on the NHS?
You haven't said about denying people treatment or locking them down, others have and that's just why I am pointing out it's a slippery slope to go down as where does it end.
Nick
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Not at all, I fully get it. I have been overweight also. I'm by no means pure muscle or a rake.
skybluetony176
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Actually Boris after he “caught” covid singled out his weight as a factor and increased funding to the NHS to help fight obesity. Amongst other things.
Nick
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Oh it must be happening then.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The principle of the NHS is everyone's entitled to treatment but it's done by priority of need and where there is more people needing the service than it can accommodate, that's when you have to further prioritise. Until we reach such a point it's unhelpful to start discussing who should be denied treatment. It's the kind of decision no doctor ever wants to have to make
skybluetony176
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Which is exactly what I just pointed out. I clearly said they’re listening to the same bollocks right said Fred spout.
Nick
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I am just saying it's a very slippery slope.
Brighton Sky Blue
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That's a logical fallacy
Nick
Administrator
How do you know?
clint van damme
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No its not relevant in this instance.
There are things we can do in the here and now, mainly getting vacinnated, to help the spread of a virus that is causing a global pandemic and putting our health service under unprecedented pressure.
Obesity is an issue yes, and has been pointed out, one that there are ongoing strategies to tackle it as there are with other public health issues but bringing them up in this argument isjust an attempt at distraction.