Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (46 Viewers)

Sky Blue Pete

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There’s a middle ground between these positions. Personally still think if you’re not ill you shouldn’t be staying away from school or work unless you’re in a care home or the NHS.
Big risk to unvaccinated people coming into contact especially if they are also vulnerable
 

shmmeee

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I dont see why it cant just be

Normal life can crack on. If you feel ill test and stay away from people.

If you want to take a test before attending a concert, or football game etc, do it. Not mandatory.

We have to live with this

Why not mandatory? It’s hardly an imposition. It’s this hard line refusal to do basic stuff like testing and masks that’s dragging this on. There’s no reason not to unless you’re hell bent on infecting people rather than having a minor inconvenience.
 
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For most people surely we are about 95% back to normal other than I guess the WFH thing which does need to end. What else is actually a problem now?
Even the wfh, surely the default *should* be wfh if you can?

If you can't, don't!
 

Sick Boy

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For most people surely we are about 95% back to normal other than I guess the WFH thing which does need to end. What else is actually a problem now?
The majority of companies I do business with in the UK are moving to full time WFH or a hybrid in shared workspaces.
 

Grendel

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Why does WFH need to end?

A lot of people do not like it - I think FP said he would leave his job if he had to carry on without colleague interaction - its causing a lot of issues at my old company in the staff areas and a lot of animosity with the hourly paid who have to work in the building - some staff are now demanding to not have meetings that effect their ability to take children to their schools. Others are saying they have to WFH or would have to re-instate child care and want compensating.
 

Grendel

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I do find it funny the so called "all in it together left" become cosy middle class "Im alright Jack" when it suits

Hourly paid serfs go and do the dirty work while I order a cappuccino and croissant and pick my kids up and still get paid more than the oiks actually working
 

SBT

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Certainly looks to be a good thing so far that people have got Omicron instead of previous variants.

It's a good thing that people are getting Omicron having been vaccinated. An Omicron outbreak at the start of 2020 would have been catastrophic given its virality. While it's certainly not as severe as Delta, this national perception that Omicron is just a mild virus has more to do with the protection from the vaccines than anything else.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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I do find it funny the so called "all in it together left" become cosy middle class "Im alright Jack" when it suits

Hourly paid serfs go and do the dirty work while I order a cappuccino and croissant and pick my kids up and still get paid more than the oiks actually working

Not all middle class professions are WFH
 

Saddlebrains

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Why not mandatory? It’s hardly an imposition. It’s this hard line refusal to do basic stuff like testing and masks that’s dragging this on. There’s no reason not to unless you’re hell bent on infecting people rather than having a minor inconvenience.


Do we have mandatory tests for any other illness that we can live with before we do anything?
 

chiefdave

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The reporting also needs to change from with and within 28 days to people going to hospital because of COVID and dying because of COVID.
That data already exists. The problem is cause of death is back filled for weeks or even months so it is pretty useless for making decisions based on the current situation.
 

Saddlebrains

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What exactly is it people are wanting to do that they are being prevented from doing with the current rules in place?


Vaccine passports need binning off asap lets be fair.

Aswell as being divisive they're pointless.

I had covid over Xmas as we know. If I hadn't tested due to a heavily pregnant friend due to visit I wouldn't have had a clue I had it. Yet I'm double jabbed. I could have spread the virus willy nilly to all and sundry, and not had a clue. Yet apparently someone unvaccinated, through their own choice, is deemed more of a risk than me because I've been jabbed

Doesn't sit right with me
 

Kieranp96

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How many people have died in the last month within 28 days of a positive covid test?
The same ammount that probably would have died during a bad flu season, 15k deaths for a bad flu season and flu seems to kill 0 right now so its just that, hopefully deaths drop dramatically soon but no one is a fortune teller.
 

RegTheDonk

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There are a few who are really annoyed at the WFH bods. Price of fuel/travel they are in effect getting a pay rise. There's definately some animosity built up over the last couple of years, you know the jokers that slacked when they HAD to come in lol. Nobody knows if they are doing work, gardening, sorting the kids out etc. It's not as manic here these days, less idiots bugging you, so £50 odd a week for petrol has some benefits lol.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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The same ammount that probably would have died during a bad flu season, 15k deaths for a bad flu season and flu seems to kill 0 right now so its just that, hopefully deaths drop dramatically soon but no one is a fortune teller.
I could have guessed at the figures. Let’s assume:

Most of the deaths covid contributed to them where there was a positive test
Covid has contributed an additional number of deaths
The increases transmissions and cases led to more death than if it hadn’t happened

So I’m pretty sure that there were about 1500 a week for the last 2 weeks so an annualised figure of 80,000 so somewhat more than an heavy annual flu season

Hence the question
 

shmmeee

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I do find it funny the so called "all in it together left" become cosy middle class "Im alright Jack" when it suits

Hourly paid serfs go and do the dirty work while I order a cappuccino and croissant and pick my kids up and still get paid more than the oiks actually working

I find it funny a Tory wants to tell business leaders that government knows best how to run their businesses or that business owners are too stupid to do what works for them. Why on Earth you’d want to force extra expense and a limited talent pool on business is beyond me.

Not entirely sure how clogging up their route to work each morning helps the “oiks “ either.
 

shmmeee

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Do we have mandatory tests for any other illness that we can live with before we do anything?

What illnesses are you thinking of that have rapid testing available for? Generally I think the idea of not mixing in crowds when you’re ill is a good one.

The only reason not to test is because you don’t want to avoid whatever it is if you’re ill as far as I can tell. Like all the people I saw over Christmas who refused to test the week before and spread it around.
 
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I do find it funny the so called "all in it together left" become cosy middle class "Im alright Jack" when it suits

Hourly paid serfs go and do the dirty work while I order a cappuccino and croissant and pick my kids up and still get paid more than the oiks actually working
Not really, is it. It's a practical 'what's the point of going in if there is no point?' I mean, your original point was perfectly reasonable (among the whinging, nobody can actually say what they're being stopped from doing in this country just atm, which suggests that they're just self-centred pricks really if they complain about having to wear a mask around vulnerable people who, well, *have* to go into work). I'd also count the 'need to see people as otherwise I'll go mad' as a reason why somebody *can't* wfh.

What we should really stop doing, however, is taking for granted people like checkout assistants, carers etc. and value them as they should be.
 

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