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[clint van damme]

Looks like the BofE is getting it’s wish anyway.

Job vacancies outpace unemployment for first time

The unemployment rate falls to its lowest level for nearly 50 years between January and March.

www.bbc.co.uk

Another benefit of brexit fails to materialise for the vast majority.

 

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[shmmeee]

But if he's worried about that how does raising interest rates help? People don't have enough money to cover the essentials, how does raising the cost of their mortgage do anything other than create more calls for wage increases, exactly what he says would be a problem.

When all you’ve got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

 

[PVA]

The party of law and order.

Their rap sheet over recent years is disgusting.

 

[clint van damme]

The party of law and order.

Their rap sheet over recent years is disgusting.

Don't think you need to be a genius to work out who that is

 

[skybluetony176]

Don't think you need to be a genius to work out who that is

Is it the same piece of shit who disappeared last year while facing a similar charge. Lack of evidence got the charges dropped IIRC. New evidence and possibly another case by the look of it.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Don't think you need to be a genius to work out who that is

Theresa may?

 

[clint van damme]

Theresa may?

Less butch

 

[David O'Day]

Let's see what Tory MP stops turning up for work.

If twitter is correct I am not surprised

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Let's see what Tory MP stops turning up for work.

If twitter is correct I am not surprised

Who?

 

[stupot07]

Only Djangoly and Bacon were in the commons tonight for the vote on the windfall tax.

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[David O'Day]

Only Djangoly and Bacon were in the commons tonight for the vote on the windfall tax.

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and it's not going to be Johnson either

 

[stupot07]

It is was any other job, you would be suspended pending investigation. This MP will be asked not to come to parliament.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

It is was any other job, you would be suspended pending investigation. This MP will be asked not to come to parliament.

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Well it's made complicated by an MP not being able to be 'sacked' so to speak

 

[David O'Day]

Well it's made complicated by an MP not being able to be 'sacked' so to speak

Isn't a sentence of 12 months more more they need? after all appeals?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Isn't a sentence of 12 months more more they need? after all appeals?

No but I mean isn't the mechanism for them to go to be appointed an officer of some archaic realm? Or to be removed by petition of constituents-but the other disciplinary processes aren't as they are for a normal workplace

 

[clint van damme]

Mark Francois would be brillaint

To be honest, if the allegations are true, then women have been assaulted so im not sure any aspect of it can be described as brilliant.

 

[Grendel]

No but I mean isn't the mechanism for them to go to be appointed an officer of some archaic realm? Or to be removed by petition of constituents-but the other disciplinary processes aren't as they are for a normal workplace

Surely any job you couldn’t fire someone without being found guilty in a court of law?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

To be honest, if the allegations are true, then women have been assaulted so im not sure any aspect of it can be described as brilliant.

Good point. Sorry I’ll amend

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Surely any job you couldn’t fire someone without being found guilty in a court of law?

I wasn't saying an immediate sacking but even suspension I don't think can work in the same way as for a conventional job

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Surely any job you couldn’t fire someone without being found guilty in a court of law?

That’s why suspension doesn’t often happen these days

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That’s why suspension doesn’t often happen these days

Well it does most times an allegation is made as a 'neutral act' while an investigation establishes the facts

 

[stupot07]

That’s why suspension doesn’t often happen these days

For an allegation like this, suspension on full pay would happen nearly every time. It certainly would where I've worked.

The list of offences is considerable in this case. Sexual assault, rape, abuse of power. Its also a job that would need to pass police checks, security clearance, and has contact with the public.

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[clint van damme]

That’s why suspension doesn’t often happen these days

I thought it was the other way round, and people were suspended as standard for allegations such as bullying or sexual harassment?
I thought leaving someone working alongside their accuser left the company vulnerable to a claim if the allegations were proven true?
Don't know a lot about it so I could be wrong.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I thought it was the other way round, and people were suspended as standard for allegations such as bullying or sexual harassment?
I thought leaving someone working alongside their accuser left the company vulnerable to a claim if the allegations were proven true?
Don't know a lot about it so I could be wrong.

Innocent till proven guilty and suspension suggests guilt

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Innocent till proven guilty and suspension suggests guilt

Standard practice. Know of a colleague who was accused of sexual misconduct with a student-they were taken off site immediately. Investigation concluded the allegation was entirely false and they were allowed back. But...if it had been true then they presented an immediate risk to those around them

 

[David O'Day]

Innocent till proven guilty and suspension suggests guilt

Every job I've had if you were arrested for rape you'd be at least on gardening leave

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Standard practice. Know of a colleague who was accused of sexual misconduct with a student-they were taken off site immediately. Investigation concluded the allegation was entirely false and they were allowed back. But...if it had been true then they presented an immediate risk to those around them

Teaching different I would think

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Teaching different I would think

Similar HR practices in most organisations really

 

[stupot07]

Similar HR practices in most organisations really

Absolutely.

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Yeah read around a bit you are correct

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah read around a bit you are correct

Suspension I agree does come across as a punishment but officially disciplinary proceedings don't begin until an investigation is finished

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Suspension I agree does come across as a punishment but officially disciplinary proceedings don't begin until an investigation is finished

Yep but for sexual harassment and worse it seems appropriate. Interesting not in the Houses of Parliament

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Innocent till proven guilty and suspension suggests guilt

No it doesn't

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Teaching different I would think

I can't believe there are many jobs where you wouldn't be suspended for such allegations

 

[rob9872]

The amount of people naming Francois on Twitter and yet now lots are saying it's Rosindell. I doubt they'll apologise if wrong either way, but labelling someone a rapist on baseless opinion is pretty low whatever side of the divide you're on. In these cases they should either name or say nothing. Saying a man in his 50s from the police is what motivates the poundshop detectives.