Climate change and activists (8 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

Science | AAAS

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[shmmeee]

CO2 Emissions per Capita

#	Country	CO2 Emissions per capita (tons)
1	China	7.38
2	United States	15.52
3	India	1.91
4	Russia	11.44

There's the problem.
We do more than most and produce 1% of the worlds emissions. Whatever we do as a country wont matter a jot if the above don't get their acts together.

Even if we do nothing to mitigate carbon emissions (which I think is both morally reprehensible and stupid strategy if you’re trying to move others) we’d have to spend trillions on flood defences, infrastructure upgrades, home retrofits, etc for the new climate.

There’s no “do nothing” option here. There’s spend a little and have clean air and hope others follow your lead and there’s spend a lot and hope for the best.

Also we’re not a million miles behind China here and have exported a load of out emissions to them through manufacturing and shipping.

 

[skybluetony176]

You think if everyone was eating a vegan diet they'd stop deforestation? They get rid of things for whatever's most profitable and don't really care if that's a cow or a carrot, so the main thing to do in that example would be to compensate people fairly for keeping their trees.

There’s enough land to grow crops for human consumption. Meat and dairy has the double whammy of needs land for grazing, needs land to grow crops for animal feed. We’re actually sending aid to countries in developing countries that are growing crops to feed animals for western markets. They need hand outs because they’re feeding us instead of themselves.

 

[clint van damme]

Even if we do nothing to mitigate carbon emissions (which I think is both morally reprehensible and stupid strategy if you’re trying to move others) we’d have to spend trillions on flood defences, infrastructure upgrades, home retrofits, etc for the new climate.

There’s no “do nothing” option here. There’s spend a little and have clean air and hope others follow your lead and there’s spend a lot and hope for the best.

Also we’re not a million miles behind China here and have exported a load of out emissions to them through manufacturing and shipping.

No, but there's a do too Little too late option which I think is the course we're on and will stay on until we're in deep shit.
I can't see us getting out of this.

 

[skybluetony176]

Apart from the methane etc. and the energy used in other areas of the production process like butchery, we could change land use from grazing or growing animal crops to other plants which could have a greater ability to store carbon. Of course some of that land would need to be used to make alternative crops to replace the meat eaten but would still be better.

Takes a 1000ltr of water to produce 1 steak.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No, but there's a do too Little too late option which I think is the course we're on and will stay on until we're in deep shit.
I can't see us getting out of this.

Dare I say a few of the attitudes expressed on here match up with what ADM and ISB opened the thread with in their concerns.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

From 2018, but an example of how the Sahara might be used

Climate model shows large-scale wind and solar farms in the Sahara increase rain and vegetation (science.org)

 

[Flying Fokker]

After two days of unbearable heat does anyone now have more sympathy with those who block motorways etc in the name of addressing climate change ?

I have no objections to their blocking roads providing it is between the hours of midnight and one minute past. Other than that, they need to embrace their eco lifestyle first. Then, perhaps I will have sympathy for this method of demonstration.

 

[Flying Fokker]

Better transport and not driving cars aren’t the same thing

Some dimwit was on the news the other day saying scrap the car and make bikes the priority

I had a terrible vision of Old Aggie cycling up the street.

 

[clint van damme]

Dare I say a few of the attitudes expressed on here match up with what ADM and ISB opened the thread with in their concerns.

Its human nature unfortunately.

 

[Grendel]

I guess one argument is if we get a lead on technology, we're in a position to rake it in as and when those countries do decide to do something about it.

Except of course they won’t do anything about it

 

[skybluetony176]

Except of course they won’t do anything about it

They will if there’s an economical argument for it which there already is. Renewables are getting cheaper and cheaper whereas fossil fuels are getting more and more expensive.

 

[Ian1779]

Surely the only long term solution is a vast reduction in the global population? Everything else is just papering over the cracks.

Take it easy Thanos

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Dare I say a few of the attitudes expressed on here match up with what ADM and ISB opened the thread with in their concerns.

There have been some very good points raised. I just think that there are too many people around the world just not interested enough in what will, inevitably, kill us all, whether that is in 50 or 100 years from now. We've already crossed 1°c pre industrial figure and a couple of days ago the BBC showed a graphic of the world at 2° and at 4° increase. It made me laugh. What they didn't attempt to do was tell us how many people would actually survive at the latter nor the disastrous scenario at even 2°c. It's as if they've already accepted those figures as inevitable but couldn't bring themselves to actually put that into a survival context.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There have been some very good points raised. I just think that there are too many people around the world just not interested enough in what will, inevitably, kill us all, whether that is in 50 or 100 years from now. We've already crossed 1°c pre industrial figure and a couple of days ago the BBC showed a graphic of the world at 2° and at 4° increase. It made me laugh. What they didn't attempt to do was tell us how many people would actually survive at the latter nor the disastrous scenario at even 2°c. It's as if they've already accepted those figures as inevitable but couldn't bring themselves to actually put that into a survival context.

Another thing not mentioned much-where will the many millions of people in the Middle East go when that region becomes uninhabitable?

 

[Grendel]

Another thing not mentioned much-where will the many millions of people in the Middle East go when that region becomes uninhabitable?

Well their economies will collapse without oil anyway so they’ll be like the third world feeding off scraps and farming the land. Not with animals of course as they’ll all be dead as the planet goes vegan

 

[PVA]

Another thing not mentioned much-where will the many millions of people in the Middle East go when that region becomes uninhabitable?

That's Farage's next grift sorted

 

[Marty]

Another thing not mentioned much-where will the many millions of people in the Middle East go when that region becomes uninhabitable?

Coming over here on dinghy's, raising our house prices, bloody foreigners!

 

[David O'Day]

Could ADM not just stand his fat arse in front of the sun?

 

[JAM See]

Did they pick you up from your house?

No.

Which bit of the post did you not understand?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well their economies will collapse without oil anyway so they’ll be like the third world feeding off scraps and farming the land. Not with animals of course as they’ll all be dead as the planet goes vegan

In all seriousness where do they go?

 

[Grendel]

No.

Which bit of the post did you not understand?

I understand it - how did everyone get to the pick up point? What happens when you are at work and there’s an emergency did you get a taxi back to your house?

 

[Grendel]

In all seriousness where do they go?

Well I was being serious the planets population will fall dramatically

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Could ADM not just stand his fat arse in front of the sun?

The IRA recruitment officer has arrived. Is it too hot on the ladies footy thread?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Another thing not mentioned much-where will the many millions of people in the Middle East go when that region becomes uninhabitable?

Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal next .

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Coming over here on dinghy's, raising our house prices, bloody foreigners!

They'll be able to paddle their way to Peterborough on Sea.

 

[Grendel]

The IRA recruitment officer has arrived. Is it too hot on the ladies footy thread?

Ha ha yes made more posts on that thread than any ccfc ones - weirdo

 

[David O'Day]

The IRA recruitment officer has arrived. Is it too hot on the ladies footy thread?

No, i was just saying you are so fat you can stand in front of the sun.

We have established you are really stupid and can't read but surely even you can understand that?

 

[Grendel]

No, i was just saying you are so fat you can stand in front of the sun.

We have established you are really stupid and can't read but surely even you can understand that?

So ADMs backside is 864,000 miles across? That’s almost as many posts you’ve made about womens football

 

[Nick]

What is the life span of an electric car before they need big money spent on them?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

What is the life span of an electric car before they need big money spent on them?

And ,if you don't mind, Nick, is it true that once the battery dies the car is more or less scrap material. I've been told replacing the battery is so expensive it's not worth it.

 

[Nick]

And ,if you don't mind, Nick, is it true that once the battery dies the car is more or less scrap material. I've been told replacing the battery is so expensive it's not worth it.

Tesla batteries look to be about 10-13k (dollars). It looks like the warranty is 8 years.

So if it gets to 10 years old it could potentially be getting scrapped.

 

[Tommo1993]

How many years before owning an electric car is feasible?

 

[fernandopartridge]

It isn't really as it's hardly used but just causes more issues.

How do you know it's hardly used?

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[Nick]

How do you know it's hardly used?

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Because I drive all the way down roads with them on multiple times a day and see how it's caused more traffic with hardly any people actually cycling on them.