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shmmeee said:
He’ll have been asked for comment or even just given a heads up, I doubt they’ll have sent the article for approval.
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Would have been asked for a comment about reeves planning a bail out?
 
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Nick said:
Would have been asked for a comment about reeves planning a bail out?
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You’d have thought so wouldn’t you? I honestly have no idea in practice but either Reeves has gone wild and made the leader look stupid (not hard TBF) and should be disciplined, or Duggins is stupider than he looks (quite hard TBF) and lied about it when he must have known it would come out.
 
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hill83 said:
Makes sense.

But I'm going to assume the complete opposite anyway for now.
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I wouldn’t put anything past him. Just from what I know journalists usually do the “we’re doing a story on X do you want to comment?” Type contact.
 
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shmmeee said:
You’d have thought so wouldn’t you? I honestly have no idea in practice but either Reeves has gone wild and made the leader look stupid (not hard TBF) and should be disciplined, or Duggins is stupider than he looks (quite hard TBF) and lied about it when he must have known it would come out.
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Given how unequivocal the denials were, you'd assume the former rather than latter. Politicians tend to leave an out usually don't they, and he didn't.

If he has denied and it turns out he knew then yep, it's a resigning matter innit. I suspect the 'newer' Labour councillors may well be looking for an opportunity to strike, anyway.
 
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Given how unequivocal the denials were, you'd assume the former rather than latter. Politicians tend to leave an out usually don't they, and he didn't.

If he has denied and it turns out he knew then yep, it's a resigning matter innit. I suspect the 'newer' Labour councillors may well be looking for an opportunity to strike, anyway.
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Wouldn’t be a bad thing anyway TBF. Old guard needs clearing out.
 
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tbh I honestly don't quite know the processes, but the Chief Exec's job would be to come up with ideas, and then propose them to councillors who have the option to accept or reject them. In itself it's probably not an issue, but probably becomes one if George Duggins has been denying any involvement, continues to deny any involvement (and he has been unequivocal on that, hasn't he) and then it comes to light in a high profile case that makes Duggins look like a clueless moron [space for obvious comment left here].
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I totally get the chief exec has a high level of autonomy from the councillors but I find it very hard to believe that Reeves is discussing using tens of millions of taxpayers money to bail out Wasps and nobody on the council knew anything about it.

Surely before anything major even gets discussed its run past people to see if its a non-starter. You can't have the chief exec wasting huge amounts of time and money on whatever he feels like without a vague idea if it has any chance of moving forward.
 
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chiefdave said:
I totally get the chief exec has a high level of autonomy from the councillors but I find it very hard to believe that Reeves is discussing using tens of millions of taxpayers money to bail out Wasps and nobody on the council knew anything about it.

Surely before anything major even gets discussed its run past people to see if its a non-starter. You can't have the chief exec wasting huge amounts of time and money on whatever he feels like without a vague idea if it has any chance of moving forward.
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Surely no one could have thought it would get past council?

The emails from various councillors seemed very much “over my dead body” and he must know Ridley was looking to make hay over it.

I honestly can’t think why this ever made it past the “random idea after a night in the pub” stage.
 
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chiefdave said:
I totally get the chief exec has a high level of autonomy from the councillors but I find it very hard to believe that Reeves is discussing using tens of millions of taxpayers money to bail out Wasps and nobody on the council knew anything about it.
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Well... to get a chance of something being approved, you need to work up a vaguely viable plan, and that needs talking to people to happen. Even at a lower level I've known of possible projects that would have cost £millions being worked up into proposals. And no, they didn't get approved!

You start with everyone knowing a problem, and it's down to the employees to come up with a palatable solution. In this instance, it appears, on the surface at least, that this solution was not palatable.
 
skyblueeyesrevisited

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Clearly the council have lied about not being in talks. Reeves as CEO represents the council. Duggins must have known what he was up to if Reeves thought it was a goer.
 
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Corruption and lies over anything to do with Wasps, they can't ever look to have fucked it all up. Millions of pounds of taxpayers money nearly given to a failing enterprise secretly, maybe Ridley should be putting the knife in on Reeves and getting to the truth of the matter?
He must know how to instigate an investigation into the deals, don't want Reeves just resigning and whitewashing the whole shitfest, he needs to answer for his wrongdoing
 
Colin Steins Smile

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If Reeves developed a funding package for Wasps Holdings, which was presented to their WH board without approval by CCC members, then surely that will constitute a case for gross misconduct to be investigated?
 
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Colin Steins Smile said:
If Reeves developed a funding package for Wasps Holdings, which was presented to their WH board without approval by CCC members, then surely that will constitute a case for gross misconduct to be investigated?
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Would be random that so many people knew but not councillors...
 
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Would be random that so many people knew but not councillors...
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That’s what the Labour Group meeting would have been. That’s when they’d have been told (well the Labour ones, if it got past that then it would obviously have had to go to the council).
 
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shmmeee said:
Surely no one could have thought it would get past council?

The emails from various councillors seemed very much “over my dead body” and he must know Ridley was looking to make hay over it.

I honestly can’t think why this ever made it past the “random idea after a night in the pub” stage.
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Reeves must have thought it was possible.
 
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shmmeee said:
Surely no one could have thought it would get past council?

The emails from various councillors seemed very much “over my dead body” and he must know Ridley was looking to make hay over it.

I honestly can’t think why this ever made it past the “random idea after a night in the pub” stage.
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Reeves obviously did.
 
MalcSB

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shmmeee said:
Man’s a fucking idiot then.
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During my time as Chief Executive of a publicly funded organisation, I would have discussed the “envelope” within which I could operate in any discussions of such a nature with the chairman. I find it hard to believe that such an experienced CE would not have done so especially given the sensitivities of which he would be only too aware. If he didn’t, then he is a fucking idiot and should fall on his sword.
 
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