Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (186 Viewers)

[Nick]

He’ll have been asked for comment or even just given a heads up, I doubt they’ll have sent the article for approval.

Would have been asked for a comment about reeves planning a bail out?

 

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[eastwoodsdustman]

So Duggins knew there was going to be an article published by the times? So surely he knew the content?

Couldn't have been given much notice of it as Webber Shandwick weren't instructed.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Never heard him say the club was taken to Birmingham of its own volition before. He doesn’t give a shit about his club does he?

Why so much heartache and passion for wasps and fuck all for ccfc. Sisu will come and go like all owners then football club has been here for 130 years ffs

 

[shmmeee]

Would have been asked for a comment about reeves planning a bail out?

You’d have thought so wouldn’t you? I honestly have no idea in practice but either Reeves has gone wild and made the leader look stupid (not hard TBF) and should be disciplined, or Duggins is stupider than he looks (quite hard TBF) and lied about it when he must have known it would come out.

 

[shmmeee]

Makes sense.

But I'm going to assume the complete opposite anyway for now.

I wouldn’t put anything past him. Just from what I know journalists usually do the “we’re doing a story on X do you want to comment?” Type contact.

 

[skyblueeyesrevisited]

Shameless wankers the lot of them.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You’d have thought so wouldn’t you? I honestly have no idea in practice but either Reeves has gone wild and made the leader look stupid (not hard TBF) and should be disciplined, or Duggins is stupider than he looks (quite hard TBF) and lied about it when he must have known it would come out.

Given how unequivocal the denials were, you'd assume the former rather than latter. Politicians tend to leave an out usually don't they, and he didn't.

If he has denied and it turns out he knew then yep, it's a resigning matter innit. I suspect the 'newer' Labour councillors may well be looking for an opportunity to strike, anyway.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Nick, have you emailed Duggins back yet to see why his CEO seems to have (allegedly) gone rogue?
I really want to see his reply.

 

[chiefdave]

The biggest worry is what the fuck they are up to now.

something has seemed off about the Ashely thing from the start. a bit of a worry because the last thing we need is Sepalla and Ashley fighting with the club being damaged in the process

 

[shmmeee]

Given how unequivocal the denials were, you'd assume the former rather than latter. Politicians tend to leave an out usually don't they, and he didn't.

If he has denied and it turns out he knew then yep, it's a resigning matter innit. I suspect the 'newer' Labour councillors may well be looking for an opportunity to strike, anyway.

Wouldn’t be a bad thing anyway TBF. Old guard needs clearing out.

 

[chiefdave]

tbh I honestly don't quite know the processes, but the Chief Exec's job would be to come up with ideas, and then propose them to councillors who have the option to accept or reject them. In itself it's probably not an issue, but probably becomes one if George Duggins has been denying any involvement, continues to deny any involvement (and he has been unequivocal on that, hasn't he) and then it comes to light in a high profile case that makes Duggins look like a clueless moron [space for obvious comment left here].

I totally get the chief exec has a high level of autonomy from the councillors but I find it very hard to believe that Reeves is discussing using tens of millions of taxpayers money to bail out Wasps and nobody on the council knew anything about it.

Surely before anything major even gets discussed its run past people to see if its a non-starter. You can't have the chief exec wasting huge amounts of time and money on whatever he feels like without a vague idea if it has any chance of moving forward.

 

[shmmeee]

I totally get the chief exec has a high level of autonomy from the councillors but I find it very hard to believe that Reeves is discussing using tens of millions of taxpayers money to bail out Wasps and nobody on the council knew anything about it.

Surely before anything major even gets discussed its run past people to see if its a non-starter. You can't have the chief exec wasting huge amounts of time and money on whatever he feels like without a vague idea if it has any chance of moving forward.

Surely no one could have thought it would get past council?

The emails from various councillors seemed very much “over my dead body” and he must know Ridley was looking to make hay over it.

I honestly can’t think why this ever made it past the “random idea after a night in the pub” stage.

 

[shmmeee]

Nick, have you emailed Duggins back yet to see why his CEO seems to have (allegedly) gone rogue?
I really want to see his reply.

“The Chief Exec often investigates possibilities before presenting them back to the council. At no point would the council have agreed to this”

Would be my guess.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I totally get the chief exec has a high level of autonomy from the councillors but I find it very hard to believe that Reeves is discussing using tens of millions of taxpayers money to bail out Wasps and nobody on the council knew anything about it.

Well... to get a chance of something being approved, you need to work up a vaguely viable plan, and that needs talking to people to happen. Even at a lower level I've known of possible projects that would have cost £millions being worked up into proposals. And no, they didn't get approved!

You start with everyone knowing a problem, and it's down to the employees to come up with a palatable solution. In this instance, it appears, on the surface at least, that this solution was not palatable.

 

[skyblueeyesrevisited]

Clearly the council have lied about not being in talks. Reeves as CEO represents the council. Duggins must have known what he was up to if Reeves thought it was a goer.

 

[robbiethemole]

Corruption and lies over anything to do with Wasps, they can't ever look to have fucked it all up. Millions of pounds of taxpayers money nearly given to a failing enterprise secretly, maybe Ridley should be putting the knife in on Reeves and getting to the truth of the matter?
He must know how to instigate an investigation into the deals, don't want Reeves just resigning and whitewashing the whole shitfest, he needs to answer for his wrongdoing

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

If Reeves developed a funding package for Wasps Holdings, which was presented to their WH board without approval by CCC members, then surely that will constitute a case for gross misconduct to be investigated?

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

This council is done.

 

[Nick]

If Reeves developed a funding package for Wasps Holdings, which was presented to their WH board without approval by CCC members, then surely that will constitute a case for gross misconduct to be investigated?

Would be random that so many people knew but not councillors...

 

[shmmeee]

Would be random that so many people knew but not councillors...

That’s what the Labour Group meeting would have been. That’s when they’d have been told (well the Labour ones, if it got past that then it would obviously have had to go to the council).

 

[MalcSB]

Surely no one could have thought it would get past council?

The emails from various councillors seemed very much “over my dead body” and he must know Ridley was looking to make hay over it.

I honestly can’t think why this ever made it past the “random idea after a night in the pub” stage.

Reeves must have thought it was possible.

 

[Nick]

Surely no one could have thought it would get past council?

The emails from various councillors seemed very much “over my dead body” and he must know Ridley was looking to make hay over it.

I honestly can’t think why this ever made it past the “random idea after a night in the pub” stage.

Reeves obviously did.

 

[shmmeee]

Reeves obviously did.

Man’s a fucking idiot then.

 

[Nick]

Man’s a fucking idiot then.

Yet he's still running the show.

 

[MalcSB]

Man’s a fucking idiot then.

During my time as Chief Executive of a publicly funded organisation, I would have discussed the “envelope” within which I could operate in any discussions of such a nature with the chairman. I find it hard to believe that such an experienced CE would not have done so especially given the sensitivities of which he would be only too aware. If he didn’t, then he is a fucking idiot and should fall on his sword.

 

[hill83]

but the council have no influence or involvement. must mean The Times are part of the conspiracy against the council

 

[shmmeee]

Yet he's still running the show.

Let’s hope this has done him. How does a Chief Exec get sacked?

 

[olderskyblue]

Let’s hope this has done him. How does a Chief Exec get sacked?

Ethics committee?

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Let’s hope this has done him. How does a Chief Exec get sacked?

Good question, who is he accountable too?

 

[Nick]

Ethics committee?

They will just change any rules he has broken.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Let’s hope this has done him. How does a Chief Exec get sacked?

In my experience, they tend to resign for a new challenge.

That said, that was the traditional world-order, before certain people came along and changed how it worked...

 

[shmmeee]

Ethics committee?

Thought that was more for councillors. Can the council just vote him off like Big Brother?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Let’s hope this has done him. How does a Chief Exec get sacked?

With a huge payout

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Thought that was more for councillors. Can the council just vote him off like Big Brother?

Or I'm a Celebrity

 

[SkyblueDad]

Let’s hope this has done him. How does a Chief Exec get sacked?

They don’t, but after the chancellors cut backs next Wednesday every chance of redundancies at councils, would be a nice payout.