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robbiekeane

robbiekeane

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Pray tell which boys
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"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination."(Leviticus 20:13)

Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin."
New Testament Romans 1:26-27 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Revelation 21:8 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
 
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No beer sold around the stadiums now! Should make for a fun atmosphere….

This event may not turn out to be the boost for Qatar’s global image that it was hoping for…
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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robbiekeane said:
"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination."(Leviticus 20:13)

Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin."
New Testament Romans 1:26-27 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Revelation 21:8 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
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So Leviticus is a book about the rules for a group of people who lived thousands of years ago and I believe there is some merit in reading and thinking about those peoples understanding of god but as for following their instruction it’s about as much use as arguing over what a batch is called

1 Corinthians is more interesting as a letter from a church leader to a city much like our own apart from size and thousands of years of understanding. You can see though how Paul’s understanding of god has clearly evolved in the thousands of years since Leviticus

Much of that list most of us would say there’s a moral and a criminal bar that it’s unwise to cross for our own safety and others safety and it’s certainly not a measure of how gay someone is. Is the point Paul is trying to make is that we all come under the list? I know I have and do. And if so what’s the solution? For Paul and for many it’s acknowledging our wrong and relying on Gods mercy. For many it’s ignoring their wrong and judging others on things they don’t personally struggle with

The final one revelation. It’s a dream and a bloody scary one written down. I’m not convinced the things john dreamt are going to happen but it’s still wise to think about what’s written. Again the list covers many of us and where it doesn’t what would we want to happen to rapists and murderers. Should they get off Scott free? Does justice need to be seen to be done. Again this isn’t about gay people the sexually immoral term could incorporate a whole lot of us. Criminally and morally. And the solution isn’t anything goes or nothing goes except if you’re rich or powerful

The Christian answer is that god loves us so much that he wants us to experience lift in all its fullness. Some strands believe that is by picking on minority groups and saying they are wrong other strands look at how Jesus lived in the gospels and try and embody his example of love grace forgiveness peace joy etc etc

Sorry for the long answer

Qatar can do what they want. However the majority of human beings think to treat someone differently because of who they are attracted to is stupid and thick and wrong
 
robbiekeane

robbiekeane

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Sky Blue Pete said:
So Leviticus is a book about the rules for a group of people who lived thousands of years ago and I believe there is some merit in reading and thinking about those peoples understanding of god but as for following their instruction it’s about as much use as arguing over what a batch is called

1 Corinthians is more interesting as a letter from a church leader to a city much like our own apart from size and thousands of years of understanding. You can see though how Paul’s understanding of god has clearly evolved in the thousands of years since Leviticus

Much of that list most of us would say there’s a moral and a criminal bar that it’s unwise to cross for our own safety and others safety and it’s certainly not a measure of how gay someone is. Is the point Paul is trying to make is that we all come under the list? I know I have and do. And if so what’s the solution? For Paul and for many it’s acknowledging our wrong and relying on Gods mercy. For many it’s ignoring their wrong and judging others on things they don’t personally struggle with

The final one revelation. It’s a dream and a bloody scary one written down. I’m not convinced the things john dreamt are going to happen but it’s still wise to think about what’s written. Again the list covers many of us and where it doesn’t what would we want to happen to rapists and murderers. Should they get off Scott free? Does justice need to be seen to be done. Again this isn’t about gay people the sexually immoral term could incorporate a whole lot of us. Criminally and morally. And the solution isn’t anything goes or nothing goes except if you’re rich or powerful

The Christian answer is that god loves us so much that he wants us to experience lift in all its fullness. Some strands believe that is by picking on minority groups and saying they are wrong other strands look at how Jesus lived in the gospels and try and embody his example of love grace forgiveness peace joy etc etc

Sorry for the long answer

Qatar can do what they want. However the majority of human beings think to treat someone differently because of who they are attracted to is stupid and thick and wrong
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Thanks for the well thought out detailed response - genuinely. I don’t mean to be at all offensive, I was raised a Roman Catholic and come from a long line of Irish catholics. I do however disagree entirely with the entire sentiment of your response where you are trying to claim it’s not condemned in the bible. The bible condemns homosexuality quite a few times and that’s that - as much as the quran does. The difference is that there are countries such as Qatar where the religious ideologies are implemented into law.

Personally think nearly all religion is poison and the world would be a much better place without any of it
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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robbiekeane said:
Thanks for the well thought out detailed response - genuinely. I don’t mean to be at all offensive, I was raised a Roman Catholic and come from a long line of Irish catholics. I do however disagree entirely with the entire sentiment of your response where you are trying to claim it’s not condemned in the bible. The bible condemns homosexuality quite a few times and that’s that - as much as the quran does. The difference is that there are countries such as Qatar where the religious ideologies are implemented into law.

Personally think nearly all religion is poison and the world would be a much better place without any of it
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I think I’m saying pretty much everything is condemned and therefore how do we make sense of what’s being said?
I think the jury is very much out on the world being a better place with or without religion.
It would certainly be a better place without humans
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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If I had paid to go out there and they turn around a few days before the first game and say there would be no booze at the stadium, I would want a refund out of principal. Not because someone is going to die because you can't get a pint, but because it's just a complete joke. This must have been the plan all along.

A seriously embarrassing tournament before it has even started. I went to Qatar in 2018 and they were all so excited about this and thought it was going to be their chance to become a new Dubai, and that everyone would want to go there following. At this rate it is going to be the opposite.
 
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SBT

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
If I had paid to go out there and they turn around a few days before the first game and say there would be no booze at the stadium, I would want a refund out of principal. Not because someone is going to die because you can't get a pint, but because it's just a complete joke. This must have been the plan all along.

A seriously embarrassing tournament before it has even started. I went to Qatar in 2018 and they were all so excited about this and thought it was going to be their chance to become a new Dubai, and that everyone would want to go there following. At this rate it is going to be the opposite.
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Lol what would you do, ask to see the manager?
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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SBT said:
Lol what would you do, ask to see the manager?
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Your passive-aggressiveness on here recently is a bit concerning. Are you alright?

I think anyone that has paid to go, after the party line for several years being that even though it is in the middle east, it will still be a normal tournament experience, has a right to feel pissed off. I would never go personally, but if you had done, then there is an argument to say you've been mis-sold.
 
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SBT

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Your passive-aggressiveness on here recently is a bit concerning. Are you alright?

I think anyone that has paid to go, after the party line for several years being that even though it is in the middle east, it will still be a normal tournament experience, has a right to feel pissed off. I would never go personally, but if you had done, then there is an argument to say you've been mis-sold.
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I'm doing fine man! Seen you posting a lot on the non-CCFC boards recently, are you alright?
 
Nick

Nick

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Imagine then saying beer is banned when people are flying out.

Guess they knew it would put people off ;)

£12 a pint, within certain fan zones at certain times and people can only have 4.
 
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