Do you want to discuss boring politics? (180 Viewers)

[PVA]

Dear me you really are a man child

You spent years slagging off everything to do with Corbyn. Now all of a sudden you're in his corner.

You'll do anything to be contrarian.

 

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[Grendel]

Fucks sake, I've read some shit on here in my time, and posted a fair bit but that takes the biscuit

How is expelling Corbyn advancing the cause of getting him elected?
Do you think anyone has said I know Starmer nt laid out any concrete plans for fixing our ailing economy and crumbling infrastructure but nows he's expelled Corbyn he's getting my vote.

The centrists are far more obsessed with Corbyn than anyone on the left of the party.
He's a pensioner who's never going to get near the front benches again but who's a long standing and popular MP in a little corner of Lo Don, just let him carry on and deal with the a tual issues that are fucking over a large portion of the people in this country.

PVA is one of your own - embrace him into your labour fold - thank fuck he’s yours

 

[PVA]

How is expelling Corbyn advancing the cause of getting him elected?

Because, and I know you don't like to hear this or don't believe it, his name is toxic. Most people want nothing to do with him and want nothing to do with a party that he is part of. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. Or apparently it is.

With respect you said a Starmer government would be no worse than a Braverman government. Now that is one of the biggest loads of shit ever written on here.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Starmer will be wearing a kilt soon and eating Haggis - safe to say Scotland is remaining in the union and Mcuseless is going to lose seats very quickly

The SNP won't have had a better chance than the UK in enormous political and economic turmoil. If they can't get independence now I doubt they ever will.

Krankie has blown it and ultimately both her and her formal idol Mr Toad could not finish that fence at Gretna

 

[Grendel]

You spent years slagging off everything to do with Corbyn. Now all of a sudden you're in his corner.

You'll do anything to be contrarian.

I can’t stand Corbyn but as I said in 2017 I admired his energy and at least you knew what he stood for - I admire Kinnock and foot and benn - I don’t agree on much they said other than their anti EU stance.

Starmer is a shape shifting non entity

Fuck me you really are an idiot

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Because, and I know you don't like to hear this or don't believe it, his name is toxic. Most people want nothing to do with him and want nothing to do with a party that he is part of. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. Or apparently it is.

With respect you said a Starmer government would be no worse than a Braverman government. Now that is one of the biggest loads of shit ever written on here.

He is only getting air time because Starmer keeps mentioning him. He would otherwise be in pretty much total obscurity around about now and doing no harm to the party besides winning it an extra seat.

 

[clint van damme]

Because, and I know you don't like to hear this or don't believe it, his name is toxic. Most people want nothing to do with him and want nothing to do with a party that he is part of. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. Or apparently it is.

With respect you said a Starmer government would be no worse than a Braverman government. Now that is one of the biggest loads of shit ever written on here.

How many votes do you think Starmer will gain by expelling Corbyn?

As regard the Braverman comment can you link the post?
And what is a Braverman government?

 

[Grendel]

He is only getting air time because Starmer keeps mentioning him. He would otherwise be in pretty much total obscurity around about now and doing no harm to the party besides winning it an extra seat.

Why bother

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Why bother

It's the end of term so my delirium has reached its peak

 

[PVA]

How many votes do you think Starmer will gain by expelling Corbyn?

As regard the Braverman comment can you link the post?
And what is a Braverman government?

I have no idea. But they've obviously decided it's a net gain. I think you underestimate just how many people despise Corbyn.


And here is the Braverman stuff

Do you want to discuss boring politics?

I have grave misgivings about the country being run by a man who once forgot his wife's nationality. The scary thing is, in terms of competence he's as good as it gets, and in a contest of bland white men in suits, the electorate would go for the blue rosette.

www.skybluestalk.co.uk

 

[skybluetony176]

Perhaps we're at cross purposes

The gig is up for Corbyn in Labour: Agreed

The gig is up for Corbyn in Islington North: No

I don’t think I suggested anything different.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I have no idea. But they've obviously decided it's a net gain. I think you underestimate just how many people despise Corbyn.


And here is the Braverman stuff

Do you want to discuss boring politics?

I have grave misgivings about the country being run by a man who once forgot his wife's nationality. The scary thing is, in terms of competence he's as good as it gets, and in a contest of bland white men in suits, the electorate would go for the blue rosette.

www.skybluestalk.co.uk

Corbyn's been stripped of the whip and was publicly distanced from the new management of the party. I think pretty much most people who cared in the first place understand that he is far removed from the top of the party now.

All the current activity is doing is giving Corbyn's name air time which it otherwise wouldn't have. When there is actually a big slobbering mess of a Tory government that should be getting both barrels.

 

[Ian1779]

I have no idea. But they've obviously decided it's a net gain. I think you underestimate just how many people despise Corbyn.


And here is the Braverman stuff

Do you want to discuss boring politics?

I have grave misgivings about the country being run by a man who once forgot his wife's nationality. The scary thing is, in terms of competence he's as good as it gets, and in a contest of bland white men in suits, the electorate would go for the blue rosette.

www.skybluestalk.co.uk

The people that despise Corbyn the most are centrist Dads like you because your guy is about as inspirational as cholera.

If Starmer literally had any vision, guile, personality or belief system he would have left Corbyn alone to potter about in North Islington but instead he’s picking a fight with him because that’s all he has to offer.

It’s utterly pathetic on his part, and almost as pathetic watching you tie yourself in knots trying to talk him up.

 

[clint van damme]

I have no idea. But they've obviously decided it's a net gain. I think you underestimate just how many people despise Corbyn.


And here is the Braverman stuff

Do you want to discuss boring politics?

I have grave misgivings about the country being run by a man who once forgot his wife's nationality. The scary thing is, in terms of competence he's as good as it gets, and in a contest of bland white men in suits, the electorate would go for the blue rosette.

www.skybluestalk.co.uk

So just to correct you, my comments were aimed at a particular argument where Reeves didn't criticise Bravermans policy on immigration but said it wasn't being implemented quickly enough. So in my opinion, Starmer was in no place to criticise the policy.

Here's the interview:

'You can't appease racism:' Rachel Reeves criticised for asylum seeker stance

SHADOW Chancellor Rachel Reeves has been heavily criticised for her response to a question about Suella Braverman's asylum policy plans.

www.thenational.scot

So your comment about 'a Braverman government' whatever that is, is incorrect.

 

[PVA]

The people that despise Corbyn the most are centrist Dads like you because your guy is about as inspirational as cholera.

If Starmer literally had any vision, guile, personality or belief system he would have left Corbyn alone to potter about in North Islington but instead he’s picking a fight with him because that’s all he has to offer.

It’s utterly pathetic on his part, and almost as pathetic watching you tie yourself in knots trying to talk him up.

I'm not talking Starmer up, I'm talking Corbyn down.

 

[PVA]

I can't be arsed with this anymore. It's ridiculous.

Corbyn had his chance, twice, and fucked it. He had his chance to apologise for his behaviour and keep his place in the party, he fucked that too. Good riddance.

 

[Ian1779]

I'm not talking Starmer up, I'm talking Corbyn down.

You are - it’s all you ever do.

Starmer will never ever get as many votes in a single election as Corbyn did in 2017.

 

[clint van damme]

I'm not talking Starmer up, I'm talking Corbyn down.

You talking him down is irrelevant, Starmer expelling him is stupid and counter productive.

 

[clint van damme]

I can't be arsed with this anymore. It's ridiculous.

Corbyn had his chance, twice, and fucked it. He had his chance to apologise for his behaviour and keep his place in the party, he fucked that too. Good riddance.

He apologised in 2018, do you want him to make it an annual event?


Just leave this here again

 

[PVA]

You are - it’s all you ever do.

Starmer will never ever get as many votes in a single election as Corbyn did in 2017.

And yet...

 

[Ian1779]

And yet...

And yet nothing…. Any time you want that charity bet feel free to step up.

 

[clint van damme]

The people that despise Corbyn the most are centrist Dads like you because your guy is about as inspirational as cholera.

If Starmer literally had any vision, guile, personality or belief system he would have left Corbyn alone to potter about in North Islington but instead he’s picking a fight with him because that’s all he has to offer.

It’s utterly pathetic on his part, and almost as pathetic watching you tie yourself in knots trying to talk him up.

I've no time for Sunak, but can you imagine him getting into a national bun fight with, say, Desmond Swayne? Course not, he may be a tory prick but he's not stupid.

 

[Ian1779]

He apologised in 2018, do you want him to make it an annual event?


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People like PVA will never be happy no matter how many times Corbyn apologises. They will just move or tweak the conditions.

In the meantime maybe their guy should apologise for some of his questionable choices when he was the DPP, like some of his utterly draconian sanctions he dished out after the 2011 riots, his fervent excitement to extradite an autistic man to the US.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I can't be arsed with this anymore. It's ridiculous.

Corbyn had his chance, twice, and fucked it. He had his chance to apologise for his behaviour and keep his place in the party, he fucked that too. Good riddance.

Who should be getting more of Starmer's attention, Corbyn or Sunak?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I've no time for Sunak, but can you imagine him getting into a national bun fight with, say, Desmond Swayne? Course not, he may be a tory prick but he's not stupid.

If anything the Tory approach is to reward the party extremists by putting them on the front bench

 

[clint van damme]

And yet...

And yet no ones saying he should have another crack at a GE, just that ge should be allowed to carry on representing the constituency he has done for the last 40 years.
And if they don't want him they'll let him know at the ballot box.

 

[PVA]

And yet nothing…. Any time you want that charity bet feel free to step up.

And yet he's going to win an election.

Congratulations on Corbyn for not winning an election. Worthy of celebration indeed.

I said I'd gladly give some money to charity without the bet.

 

[skybluetony176]

Just seen some of the footage of Theresa Coffey at a select committee today. I didn’t think it possible but I think that there’s possibly a minister who understands less about their responsibilities and brief of their department than Dorries did about hers. She makes Nads look competent.

 

[Ian1779]

And yet he's going to win an election.

Congratulations on Corbyn for not winning an election. Worthy of celebration indeed.

I said I'd gladly give some money to charity without the bet.

That may well be true. And I will be able to look forward to him not making a single measurable change in my life or that of my children.

How exciting.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And yet he's going to win an election.

Congratulations on Corbyn for not winning an election. Worthy of celebration indeed.

I said I'd gladly give some money to charity without the bet.

This Conservative government is on track to be the worst since World War 2. Labour's lead is pretty much down to that.

You think a man with no charisma, no firm beliefs and from a London constituency just won everyone round on his own?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Maybe he will, maybe he won't.

But he can't do fuck all if he doesn't get elected.

Perfect policy in opposition is pointless. Something the Corbyn cult don't seem to have grasped.

To get elected he needs to get people to vote for him, and when push comes to shove how is he going to do it?

 

[clint van damme]

Just seen some of the footage of Theresa Coffey at a select committee today. I didn’t think it possible but I think that there’s possibly a minister who understands less about their responsibilities and brief of their department than Dorries did about hers. She makes Nads look competent.

Saw it, painful to watch.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Because, and I know you don't like to hear this or don't believe it, his name is toxic. Most people want nothing to do with him and want nothing to do with a party that he is part of. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. Or apparently it is.

With respect you said a Starmer government would be no worse than a Braverman government. Now that is one of the biggest loads of shit ever written on here.

Citation needed

 

[fernandopartridge]

I don’t think I suggested anything different.

Yes I've just said we're at cross purposes

 

[PVA]

Goodnight lads